Hello All,

Ok, continuing from my previous post...I will upload as a quote the previous image and text I wrote:

QuoteOr what it would look like...(So you could see it "visually") the image below:

And of course, the center red arrows -that CROSS- in reality travel through armature coil windings like shown by the Red Circular Flows for Currents.

Am I right or wrong?

Regards

Ufopolitics

That Image above is somehow NOT portraying the way Currents Flow with that PLAIN CROSS within Commutator, and basically ON ARMATURE (as I wrote about on the last bold letters sentence).

So, I made a new Image, based on all same data as prior EXCEPT that on Image below I am showing exactly what takes place WITHIN THE ARMATURE (WATCH CAREFULLY ONLY THE COMMUTATOR INNER PART CURRENTS FLOW DIRECTION):


So, on Image above is shown the CORRECT WAY of Currents Flow WITHIN ARMATURE (INSIDE COMMUTATOR).

When Currents enter Brush and hits commutator contacts, currents DIVIDE IDENTICALLY into both Hemispheres of the Brush Division Plane and DISBURSE EQUALLY through the Coils Circuit that are comprehended within those TWO Hemispheres.

And as you can see, I made TWO Circles one Red closer to South Stator, as another Blue, closer to North Stator.

Within those TWO Circles you can see the OPPOSED CURRENT FLOW NETWORK within Armature...AND this simply means IT WILL NOT WORK!!...Because Currents within those TWO sides of Armature will CANCEL or REDUCE TO MINIMAL LEVELS, depending on which is carrying majority of charges!!

So, it will NOT work for Motor EMF AND also for Generator Induction.

In order for this Machine fusion between a Motor and a Generator, sharing the same Armature...to WORK PROPERLY, ALL CURRENTS FLOWING WITHIN ARMATURE (FROM GENERATOR AND MOTOR), MUST FLOW FOLLOWING THE SAME DIRECTION!!

So, on next Graphic, I need to add the Motor North-South Bisectors, to know how the Torsion Fields will develop in order to keep the same Rotation Direction (CW), related to BOTH Stators Bisectors, which are shown on image above on top of the Green Horizontal Line, so Left Red Line coming out from South (Red) Stator to Center is the Stator South Bisector, as the Blue Line from Center to North (Blue) Stator is the North Stator Bisector.

The idea I have to solve this issue with Opposed Currents Flow within Armature, is to TURN MOTOR BRUSH PLANE around 180º or somewhere there...while keeping same Rotation (CW).

I may have to also Turn a bit the Dynamo (Generator) Brush Plane...

So, let´s see how this works out or not...

Regards

Ufopolitics

Hello again,

Ok, here is the best Brush Plane Alignment of Both Systems that I could do on this design:


It made me realize that we need to keep brushes AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE between Dynamo and Motor Planes, actually an "ideal" setup would be that Both Systems use the same Brush space, but we all know that is simply impossible.

If you have noticed, I have turned 180 degrees the Motor Brush Plane as shown previously, so now the Negative Brush is on Top and Positive is on bottom.

According to Motor Bisector positioning related to Stators, this Motor would be running on a very strong REPULSE FORCES on the Direction of Rotation.(1 to 2 degrees Bisectors Angle)

There will always be a small, minimal portion between opposite sign brushes, where currents oppose, as I have enclosed those areas with SMALL Black Circles, on Top and lower sections.

However, a majority of the Armature section on Both sides, basically and more importantly, the part closer to Stators, that both currents (motor & generator) flow on the same directions, and I have circled them with the Red and Blue Circles, according to their proximity to Stators Magnetic Polarization.

Now, in order to build this setup, we will DEFINITIVELY NEED the same type of brushes shown on Bedini's Video, or the ones I have shown that belongs to Starter Motors from those times...
The type of Brushes that MOUNTS ON CAPS, WILL NOT WORK FOR THIS ARRANGEMENT!!...OR FOR THE LOCKRIDGE DEVICE IN GENERAL.

The Starter Brushes design allows a maximum PROXIMITY between Two Brushes that we need in order to have a successful device.

And it is now that I realize why ALL the brushes need to be trimmed to the size of One (1) Commutator Bar-or Element. And it is due that whenever we have SO CLOSE Brushes of Opposite Electrical Sign, we need to reduce to ALMOST ZERO THE DOUBLE ELEMENT CONTACT BY ONE BRUSH!!

The JUMPERS (NOT shown on this image for sake of clarity) get connected the SAME WAY as I have shown before, or Positive from Dynamo to Positive of Motor, that would be the "LINE", and the "RETURN" from Negative Brush of Motor to Negative Brush of Dynamo.

I am also NOT showing here, the EMF DIRECTIONAL ARROWS...in order to analyze first ALL CURRENTS on BOTH SYSTEMS. To me the EMF takes a second place when it comes to Current Flow for Both Systems sharing the same Armature.

However, by simple analysis, we realize that by turning 180º the Motor Brush Plane, we will also reverse its EMF from previous images, so, they will now be opposite to Dynamo EMF...However, now the Motor Counter EMF would be on the same direction as Dynamo EMF...

A LOT of info here to analyze deeply...

Regards

Ufopolitics

Quote from: Ufopolitics on Dec 15, 2024, 09:05 PMNow, in order to build this setup, we will DEFINITIVELY NEED the same type of brushes shown on Bedini's Video, or the ones I have shown that belongs to Starter Motors from those times

The brushes in the dvd are graphite  or some composit of some kind. They are fairly soft.  The starter brushes are hard and will leave marks on the commutator bars. 
The commutators for the starter and generator may be made out of different material also. I have used starter brushes and found out it best not to use them. They have less resistance than the generator ones. But very hard.

Question----How many armature slots are you allowing for the stator pole faces to cover in the last drawing. 

Where you have the 2 small round black circles. Emf going both ways I think of it as one as the motor side and the other as the generator side trying to push each in one direction or the other. 

Tha small area may be why the pole shoes are made smaller to only match 3 armature slots to keep the armature moving in the same direction with out any bemf to slow the armature down. 

Thanks Hiwater.

Quote from: hiwater on Dec 16, 2024, 11:32 AMThe brushes in the dvd are graphite  or some composit of some kind. They are fairly soft.  The starter brushes are hard and will leave marks on the commutator bars.
The commutators for the starter and generator may be made out of different material also. I have used starter brushes and found out it best not to use them. They have less resistance than the generator ones. But very hard.

Sure, the Starter takes a very high Amperage (Currents) known as "cranking amps", so, brushes need to stand the heat.

Quote from: hiwater on Dec 16, 2024, 11:32 AMQuestion----How many armature slots are you allowing for the stator pole faces to cover in the last drawing.

The same number of slots that came from factory, I have not modified the pole shoes.

Quote from: hiwater on Dec 16, 2024, 11:32 AMWhere you have the 2 small round black circles. Emf going both ways I think of it as one as the motor side and the other as the generator side trying to push each in one direction or the other.

That is not EMF Hiwater, but Current Flow...and yes, there would be a close short circuit there, once you load generator, reason why we need to file brushes (thin them) to only reach one commutator element.

Quote from: hiwater on Dec 16, 2024, 11:32 AMTha small area may be why the pole shoes are made smaller to only match 3 armature slots to keep the armature moving in the same direction with out any bemf to slow the armature down.

Thanks Hiwater.

It makes sense...

Now, can you try this setup on your end?

Thanks

Ufopolitics

Hello All,

So, here is an image to resume all explained on previous posts...except here I wanted to display a better Area of Armature where Currents are Flowing in the Same Direction (Light Red and Light Blue Semi-Circumferences), as also the "Short Circuit" Areas in Yellow background.

As you can see the areas of equal currents flow are much bigger than shorted areas', and the "short" depends on many things, like Armature RESISTANCE measurements BETWEEN THOSE OPPOSITE AND ADJACENT, ELECTRICAL POLARIZATION BRUSH CONTACTS ON COMMUTATOR.

It also depends on the TYPE OF WINDING used on the Armature, as the wire gauge (thickness).

As also depends on the Potential DIFFERENCE between those Two Close Brushes.

Here I am also showing BOTH JUMPERS, and like I wrote before, they need to be of the THICKEST WIRE you could get...in order to FORCE CURRENTS through the "LESS RESISTANCE PATH" and so AWAY from Shorting circuit with other brush next to it...

I have also NARROWED ALL BRUSHES to the size of ONE COMMUTATOR CONTACT.

And so, we must realize that we have here the Power Source outputting through the Dynamo Brushes, and when we connect these two Dynamo Brushes to the Motor Brushes, then the Motor Circuit becomes the FIRST Generator LOAD...correct?

This written above may sound like everything is all right, except when we realize that Generator and Motor are not two separate entities, but they are sharing the same Armature Circuit and the same Stators Magnetic Field...

Sounds "very" crazy, right?

Regards

Ufopolitics