This image is EXACTLY same positioning set as previous image, except this is an ACTUAL REAL IMAGE, where we can clearly see the same Pattern of Opposing Forces by adding some iron filings.

We can observe FOUR OPPOSING FORCES TO ROTATION R (Arrow above-center shows Rotating Force Direction of Dynamo).

F Attraction 1- On the UPPER LEFT side an Attraction Force from the S Pole at Stator and the N Pole of Armature, that I set a Blue Circle on it.

F Repulsion  2- On Right Upper Corner we see N-N Repulsion.

F Attraction 3- On Right Lower Corner, an S-N Attraction.

F Attraction 4 On Left Lower Corner, we have a S-S Repulsion

On Attractions there are a heavier concentration of iron filings, while the opposite takes place on a Repulsion, where we observe a lack of concentrated iron particles.

Ufopolitics

In your drawing. Leading -lagging pole shoe tips.  Each pole shoe half would be either a generator or a motor. So if the pole shoes were split and a field coil placed on them. And respectively placed in the right position adjacent to the armature. When loaded the motor should speed up depending on the resistance of the load according to the resistance of the field coils.

That would separate the motor and generator part and the load would be the rotating force. This could work in theory. Testing would need to be done.

Quote from: hiwater on Jul 01, 2024, 09:16 AMIn your drawing. Leading -lagging pole shoe tips.  Each pole shoe half would be either a generator or a motor. So if the pole shoes were split and a field coil placed on them. And respectively placed in the right position adjacent to the armature. When loaded the motor should speed up depending on the resistance of the load according to the resistance of the field coils.

That would separate the motor and generator part and the load would be the rotating force. This could work in theory. Testing would need to be done.

Hello Hiwater,

They already used that technique of adding an additional field pole, but to reduce sparking, on same book & chapter this image came out from.
All you are doing is, instead of having Two Field Poles, after the splitting of the two in Four, then adding a third and a fourth coil-pole, is having now a Six Field Coils instead of two.
So, you will be increasing the magnetic drag of armatures, either motor or dynamo.

Ufopolitics

A cleaner image of the latest one I have posted...plus I added the Four Vector Forces involved (F1, F2, F3, F4) that oppose rotation direction "R".

The N1 and S1 Poles on Armature are mirrored polarizations due to dynamo's rotation plus tendency of attraction with field coils based on brushes plane (magenta dotted line).

Here we have a completely different perspective view approach to Lenz Law.

To simplify these Opposing Forces, we can just add them without changing their spatial positioning into one FULL TORSION FORCE, comprehending the full 360 degrees.

We MUST realize that Attraction Forces between opposite poles ALWAYS tend to seek the PERFECT CENTER or BISECTOR CENTER LINE(S) .


Ufopolitics

I agree. As the input power is clockwise  ( say the first half of the letter S as it swings through the armature and completes it path the magnetic feild swings the other way) or armature reaction.

Then one motor coil is put on each end of the green line in your picture. That would take up 1/4 of the armature on each side for the forward emf. Then change the brush location to put the motor in magnetic lock so it wont rotate either way. Then add 2 more pole shoes with coils on the other 2 quarter locations. These would probably in the locations that the forward emf changes direction ccw. the motor would then run ccw. Using the load coils to run the motor.

These coils then could possibly aid in rotation in stead of slowing the motor down when a load is put on either one of these 2 coils. rotation direction would be opposite on in put power. CCW.  It sounds good. Dont know if it will work.

Just some thoughts to throw out there.