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BUILDING A 'GRAVITY FIELD' COIL

Started by Ufopolitics, Jun 16, 2025, 12:14 AM

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kampen

Simulation: see attachment

Here's an "optimal" operating point for your Circular Electromagnet with gap
based on the geometry you described and the goal of keeping both Bloch walls active while driving a strong loop:

Best balanced high-energy point (from the sweep)
Turns (N): 300
Current (I): 5.0 A
Core μr (effective): ~500 (powdered iron / nanocrystalline-ish)
Gap (g): ≈ 1.37 mm
Flux density (core): ≈ 0.78 T (kept under an 0.8 T limit for this μr class)
Balance index (β = MMF_gap / MMF_core): ≈ 1.14 (nearly symmetric—both "walls" present)
Gap energy density proxy: ≈ 241 kJ/m³ (strong "looping speed/strength")

Why this point?
It sits just below saturation, maximizing field without crossing the knee.
β ~ 1 means the Secondary (gap) wall and Primary wall share the MMF burden—exactly your requirement to keep both walls simultaneously "alive."
Using μr ≈ 500 gives you a robust, low-loss core that tolerates ~0.8 T (powdered iron/nanocrystalline effective μ), which is hard to do with ferrite (would saturate sooner).

What to build here the recommended specs:
Core: Powdered-iron or nanocrystalline stack shaped as a ring (mean dia ~180 mm), effective cross-section ≈ (0.6×35 mm)².
Winding: N = 300 turns, copper that can carry 5 A continuous (or use parallel/li
Gap adjuster: Micrometer screw or shim system with 0.1–2.0 mm range; target ~1.4 mm for "balanced" mode.
Drive: Short trapezoidal nudges (10–50 kHz), duty ~60–70%, flyback capture on falling edges.

kampen

Simulation: see attachment
Here's a first-cut model that captures the tuning behavior you described
gap-controlled balance between the two "walls"
using a simple magnetic-circuit sweep.

It's not full FEM, but it's good for intuition and for picking starting dimensions.
Screenshot_20250812_134105_Chrome.jpg

Ufopolitics

Hello Kampen,

Thanks!, great job!!

And what is your conclusion, based on this simulation?
Besides it gives us a better idea about dimensions and gap approximation.
But, nevertheless, EXCELLENT WORK!!
As always, Kampen!!

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Now, I have some questions/suggestions on other future simulations...

I see you have a max currents of 5A, but what about Voltage?...and wire gauge and total resistance used on those 300 turns of Coil?

Because, like I have mentioned before...a Coil which requires (based on its Total Resistance and Number of Turns), say 5 Amps, but only driven by 2.0- 5.0 Volts, will result on a very weak - and expensive, as consumption goes- magnetic field.

The stronger Magnetic Fields seat at much higher Voltage than Amperage ratio, like 120V and (less than) >2.0 Amps (used on Generators Exciting Fields)...or 12V and 0.5A...


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On another note, I would like to establish Simulation differences (if there are any) between a Straight, Cylindrical Coil versus a Circular one, like I am showing, and you are showing on simulation, basically relating to Consumption/Input.
And of course BOTH Coils having exactly, the same spec's, or same number of turns, same wire gauge, same resistance, as same Input relating to Voltage and Amperage (or Watts).
Except, a straight Cylindrical Coil will not have any 'Air Gap'.

So, please, could you do this same test-simulation but, on the same but straight coil for comparisons?

Thanks much!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

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kampen


Re: BUILDING A 'GRAVITY FIELD' COIL
#37
Aug 12, 2025, 06:03 PM
And what is your conclusion, based on this simulation?
Besides it gives us a better idea about dimensions and gap approximation.

What the simulation says:
There's a sweet spot. With a powder-iron/nanocrystalline-like core (effective μr≈500), N≈300 turns, I≈5 A, and gap ≈1.3–1.4 mm
we have here the balanced-wall zone (β≈1.1) where the gap wall and original wall share the MMF almost equally.
 
That's exactly the condition you wanted: both "walls" co-existing and working.

Strong but below optimum. Core B≈0.78 T (under the ~0.8 T limit we set for this μ class)
so we are pushing the field hard without driving the core into saturation. 
That is where the gap energy density (our proxy for "looping speed/strength") peaks—~240 kJ/m³ in this geometry.

Gap is the master knob. A few tenths of a millimeter either way shifts the dominance:
Smaller gap gap wall dominates (β1), higher flux but rising saturation risk and eddy losses.
Larger gap core wall dominates (β1), weaker field and slower loop.
This validates your "do not fully close" rule and gives a tuning window you can hit repeatably.

Pulsed drive still matters. The geometry gives you the static balance; short, well-shaped pulses (trapezoid/PWM) plus flyback capture convert that into efficient energy transfer. 

Expect high apparent power on edges—but true average output tracks the energy you recover, not the peak spikes.
This will give high-Q behavior. 

The loop can recirculate field energy so the electrical source only tops up losses—it can look self-sustaining, yet long-run energy still balances with input + stored energy. 
That's the boundary to guard with proper measurements.

Practical implications:
Build to adjust: Use a micrometer or shim stack to set g ≈1.4 mm with ±0.2 mm range. 
That lets you ride the balanced zone and explore your predicted "reversal" point safely.

Material choice: Prefer powdered iron or nanocrystalline stacks for this B-level; ferrite would likely saturate earlier at the same ampere-turns.
Copper & heat: At ~5 A continuous, use Litz or parallel windings to keep copper loss and temperature rise in check (aim R_coil < ~1–2 Ω equivalent).
Drive & capture: 20–50 kHz trapezoidal nudges (~60–70% duty), GaN/SiC FET, fast diode or synchronous capture, tuned snubber. Harvest the falling edge energy.

Instrumentation: 
Hall array (or rotating probe) around the ring to track wall balance vs gap; input/output p(t)=v·i logging to prove energy balance.

Next good experiment:
Gap sweep at fixed current map β(g) and find your "reversal" onset.
Pulse sweep at fixed gap find duty/frequency that maximizes recovered energy without pushing B into saturation.
Material A/B test (μr 500 vs ferrite) confirm the higher usable B window.
Two-coil variant (FLG mode) compare neutral-plane motion vs circular loop at the same β≈1 setting.

kampen

Re: BUILDING A 'GRAVITY FIELD' COIL #37
Aug 12, 2025, 06:03 PM

On another note, I would like to establish Simulation differences (if there are any) between a Straight, Cylindrical Coil versus a Circular one, like I am showing, and you are showing on simulation, basically relating to Consumption/Input.
And of course BOTH Coils having exactly, the same spec's, or same number of turns, same wire gauge, same resistance, as same Input relating to Voltage and Amperage (or Watts).
Except, a straight Cylindrical Coil will not have any 'Air Gap'.

So, please, could you do this same test-simulation but, on the same but straight coil for comparisons?


SIMULATION Straight vs Circular (same N, R, Vin, Ipk)

Case,                                            L (mH),            Pin,                  Pout,              Pcu,                    Poff,                Duty,                  Eff (%)
Straight (no gap),                        44.138,            528.817,          950.667,          7.755,                105.63,            0.9,                      179.773
Circular (gap 1.37 mm),              20.643,            540.667,          484.555,          8.111,                  53.839,            0.9,                        89.622

Straight vs Circular Coil – Simulation Results
Electrical Parameters
Straight (no gap): L = 44.138 mH, Pin = 528.817 W, Pout = 950.667 W
Circular (gap 1.37 mm): L = 20.643 mH, Pin = 540.667 W, Pout = 484.559 W

Performance
Case 1.0: Poff = 105.63 W, Duty = 0.9, Eff = 179.773 %
Case 2.0: Poff = 53.839 W, Duty = 0.9, Eff = 89.622 %



Duty needed to hit 10 A peak @ 96 V


Energy flows (current-mode, same R/N/Vin/Ipk)




Here's a straight-vs-circular comparison with identical copper (N=300, R≈0.23 Ω)
Same drive (96 V bus, current-mode, Ipk=10 A, Ivalley=6 A, 8 kHz) and the circular ring set to g≈1.37 mm (μr≈500).


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