Part 4:-  Dynamo's

First let me quote Buforn:

QuoteThere are two different ways to modify the intensity of such a flow. One is by
varying the distances between the induced and the inductor circuits. All
machines magneto or dynamo electric from the Clarke one to the most
advanced, are according to this principle and all have the defect of Lenz-law
as stated above

Generators "Vary The Distance" between the Induced and the Inducer Circuit.  

When a magnetic field is GROWING, the Distance between the rotor and stator is Shrinking..  Meaning the 2 coils are coming CLOSER together...

And when a magnetic field of a Generator is SHRINKING, the distance between the Rotor and Stator coils is INCREASING..

Now take this and apply it to what I stated in my past posts...

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Place a pickup coil by a primary coil and measure the induced power..  Now separate them and bring them further away and now measure the induced power..  Obviously, the closer they are, the more current will be induced into the pickup coil.  Likewise, the Further away the coils are from each other, the LESS will be induced into the pickup coil..

This is why a generator can do what it does..  The HURTFUL part of induction occurs on the SHRINKING Wave..  And by the very design, a Generator happens to be INCREASING THE DISTANCE during the very timing when the extra Mutual Induced Power is NOT Wanted in the primary!

A generator capitalizes on the Growing field by LESSENING the Distance, allowing all the helpful Mutual Induction into the primary ASSIST in raising the Growing Wave..

And on the Decline, the Generator INCREASES THE DISTANCE of the coils, thus Escaping or Dampening the Mutual Induction back to the primary at the exact time we WANT the source wave to DECREASE..

As you may know, a Generator can output 10X+ the power that it takes to sustain the magnetic field of the rotor (NOT Including the power to rotate the rotor)..

A generator output is so substantial because it brings the coils close together at the exact time where the Mutual Induction to the primary Benefits us,  and Separates the coils at the EXACT TIME the mutual induction HURTS us. 

Essentially, the magnetic field in a generator's rotor gets STRONGER as it approaches the pickup coil and WEAKER as it departs.  Fully In-Tune with the Output Wave.  

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Now compare that to a transformer..  There is NO DISTANCE VARIATIONS..  The Coils are Fixed in place..  A transformer is forced to accept the Helpful growing wave, AND accept the hurtful Shrinking wave.

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Hopefully now it is clear why I said earlier that I want to see Input Current INCREASE, NOT Decrease..  I need to see MORE current flowing through the rotor / primary coil when I harvest a load to confirm the primary coil is acting like a battery in series with the source.  

It may sound counter-intuitive on the surface, and I have a feeling I will get more criticism than agreeing comments. But this is my aim and I think I described the chain of events the best I can. 

Quote from: floodrod on Jul 23, 2024, 03:52 PMPart 4:-  Dynamo's

First let me quote Buforn:

QuoteThere are two different ways to modify the intensity of such a flow. One is by varying the distances between the induced and the inductor circuits. All
machines magneto or dynamo electric from the Clarke one to the most
advanced, are according to this principle and all have the defect of Lenz-law
as stated above

Generators "Vary The Distance" between the Induced and the Inducer Circuit. 

When a magnetic field is GROWING, the Distance between the rotor and stator is Shrinking..  Meaning the 2 coils are coming CLOSER together...

And when a magnetic field of a Generator is SHRINKING, the distance between the Rotor and Stator coils is INCREASING..

Now take this and apply it to what I stated in my past posts...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Place a pickup coil by a primary coil and measure the induced power..  Now separate them and bring them further away and now measure the induced power..  Obviously, the closer they are, the more current will be induced into the pickup coil.  Likewise, the Further away the coils are from each other, the LESS will be induced into the pickup coil..

This is why a generator can do what it does..  The HURTFUL part of induction occurs on the SHRINKING Wave..  And by the very design, a Generator happens to be INCREASING THE DISTANCE during the very timing when the extra Mutual Induced Power is NOT Wanted in the primary!

A generator capitalizes on the Growing field by LESSENING the Distance, allowing all the helpful Mutual Induction into the primary ASSIST in raising the Growing Wave..

And on the Decline, the Generator INCREASES THE DISTANCE of the coils, thus Escaping or Dampening the Mutual Induction back to the primary at the exact time we WANT the source wave to DECREASE..

As you may know, a Generator can output 10X+ the power that it takes to sustain the magnetic field of the rotor (NOT Including the power to rotate the rotor)..

A generator output is so substantial because it brings the coils close together at the exact time where the Mutual Induction to the primary Benefits us,  and Separates the coils at the EXACT TIME the mutual induction HURTS us.

Essentially, the magnetic field in a generator's rotor gets STRONGER as it approaches the pickup coil and WEAKER as it departs.  Fully In-Tune with the Output Wave. 

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Now compare that to a transformer..  There is NO DISTANCE VARIATIONS..  The Coils are Fixed in place..  A transformer is forced to accept the Helpful growing wave, AND accept the hurtful Shrinking wave.

~~~~~~~~~~

Hopefully now it is clear why I said earlier that I want to see Input Current INCREASE, NOT Decrease..  I need to see MORE current flowing through the rotor / primary coil when I harvest a load to confirm the primary coil is acting like a battery in series with the source. 

It may sound counter-intuitive on the surface, and I have a feeling I will get more criticism than agreeing comments. But this is my aim and I think I described the chain of events the best I can.

Hello Floodrod,

Great analysis!, basically on this quoted post above.

I have to say that I agree with you in a 90 to 95%, first, because you are using the same approach than Figuera and Buforn used. And I do agree 100% with their point of view.

When Figuera in 1908 (before Buforn got his Patents) analyzes a 'Dynamo' He based it on the "Approach" to then "Get further away"...relating to the Exciting/Inductor/Primary Field Coils...

Now, there are just a couple of statements on your post above that I hate to disagree with you...

First:

Quote from: floodrod on Jul 23, 2024, 03:52 PMEssentially, the magnetic field in a generator's rotor gets STRONGER as it approaches the pickup coil and WEAKER as it departs.

The Magnetic Field in the Rotor of a Generator [And an Alternator as well] (assuming that you are referring to the Exciter Coils Field, or Inducting Field) only increases, whenever we add a load, and as soon as the AVR raises to the desired Compensated Voltage (based on the Output Reading), then it stops and maintains this values for the time the load is on.
So, no, it is not a 'normal operation' of any generator's exciter magnetic field to become 'stronger' as it approaches the output Field Coils, to then decrease its strength when it departs.
The Exciter Field(s) in a generator or alternator keeps its magnetic field very stable (related to V &A) while supplying power to a load.
Again, at idle or no-load condition, it goes down; while going 3000 RPM's...but is very simple to measure this...I have done it on a Brushed Single-Phase Generator, before loading and after.
And as soon as you load generator (with a heavy load, of course, not with just one light bulb...but, say with an electrical air compressor) ...you are closing the circuit on output Field Coils,Rotor tends to lockup and RPM's drops, immediately the governor of the ICE carburation or injection system, opens its gas throttle to rise RPM's, as AVR detects a fall on output currents, and it ramps up power to exciting fields. This is the only time the exciter field strengthens.

The second one I disagree with, is your field 'not moving' comparing to a transformer:

Quote from: floodrod on Jul 23, 2024, 03:52 PMNow compare that to a transformer..  There is NO DISTANCE VARIATIONS..  The Coils are Fixed in place..  A transformer is forced to accept the Helpful growing wave, AND accept the hurtful Shrinking wave.

A Transformer works normally with AC (unless it is a Pulsed PWM DC type) and still, in both currents, there are variations on the Magnetic Field, according to variations on currents.

On the basic AC Sinewave, there is a smooth up and a smooth down, on smooth up, the field grows to peak, then it starts to decay, smoothly also, as whenever it passes zero it reverses the magnetic field polarization, to then make the same operation on the negative side of sine.

So basically, on a transformer the field does not move on the conventional way a rotary generator does, however, it increases and decreases the Field Volume on the same place.

There always need to be a 'field variation/change" to be an induction, Faraday 1831.

But anyways, those are the only two points that I disagree, however, I do believe you have -in general-a great point, and I wish you the best of luck on your future developments and tests.

And I would like to read the opinions of others (basically those "knowledgeable on the arts", like @citfta related to the discussion here.

Regards

Ufopolitics

So here is a video of my Latest build.

If you wanted proof of Increased Output Power with Frequency- here it is..


And yes I acknowledge something is off with my theory I presented.  I am sure this is virtually rotating, but my input current does not go up as I expected.

It's a shame that you deleted the video.
For greater effect, the rotor must be made external with focusing of the electromagnets into the internal cavity, and the stator must be made internal. The main thing is that the cross section of the magnetic flux is more or less sufficient to focus the anapole moment on the phase wires in the stator slot, for the peak EMF. Another recommendation is not to try to make the output phase AC into the load. The problem with these designs is voltage regulation with a constantly changing load. You already control electromagnets through commutation. It is easier to rectify the output current, charge the battery and get useful current from the battery for the inverter and self-propelled vehicle.

Because of the war, I cannot complete my second work "Synchronous mechanical and solid-state generators. Anapole moment." Two illustrations that I prepared to explain the principle of operation of the Anapole moment.The phase wires must be at the focus of the magnetic flux.

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