Ufopolitics Figuera's Linear Pump Discussion/Questions

[Prajna]

Prior you have made an offer to build a 3D Animation of your 3D CAD Graphic that I have shown on the first page...can you do it whenever you get a chance, please?

As it will help alot to understand the basic Field Movements or Expanding-Contracting of the two components N & S.

Regards

Ufopolitics

Sure thing. There is rain forecast for next week, so I can justify spending time in front of the computer.

[Classic]

Hello all,

Please forgive my ignorance but, I really want to understand this method of operation.

If magnetic field (unidirectional) is maintained ALL TIME in the system and only the point of great of magnetism respective N pole and S pole is changing position relative to the system ... why do we have a so called BEMF ? Back spike only happens when magnetic field collapse as far as I am aware and magnetic field reverse polarity.

As I can understand with my limited knowledge in Figuera generator primary coils maintain the unidirectional field all time while secondaries will see it as a virtual magnet traveling in the same direction ... where I agree the secondaries will see this like a magnet going in and out in a controlled manner where BEMF is due mostly to the synchronised movement induced by primaries and not due to natural occurring force of the nature ... or at least natural force is assisted by the system.

Now, I am having some difficulties to understand how the influence of the secondaries over primaries is mitigated in such way that the induced can not see the inducer and remove the extra effort required to fight against the nature ... it should be a delay somewhere happening in order to obtain the gain we seek ?

Not sure if I am wrong, but the induced coil will have a reversed magnetic polarity in relation to inducer.

I am just thinking of this system like a hammer and nail inserted into piece of wood, we hit the nail with adequate force to penetrate the wood and the wood will exert enough friction/clamping force to retain the nail into position, continuous hammering will make the nail to advance in one direction only if the force applied is strong enough to overcome the resistance of the wood opposing the nail.
Also, I can observe if the wood start to crack due to excessive size of the nail, there is no friction/clamping force to retain the nail into position.

I do understand the importance of correct driving the primaries but, I can't see any focus or explanations of isolation between primaries and secondaries ... which Figuera has accounted in order to obtain a beneficial gain.

If my post is detrimental to forum discussion please ignore/delete as seen apropriate.

[lfarrand]

Quote from: Classic on 04/11/2025, 10:35:17
If magnetic field (unidirectional) is maintained ALL TIME in the system and only the point of great of magnetism respective N pole and S pole is changing position relative to the system ... why do we have a so called BEMF ? Back spike only happens when magnetic field collapse as far as I am aware and magnetic field reverse polarity.

Under normal operation of the device you wouldn't expect to have any inductive kickback since the field isn't collapsing at any point. You would only have inductive kickback when the device is switched off, or if there was a fault that caused it to stop.

Quote from: Classic on 04/11/2025, 10:35:17
Now, I am having some difficulties to understand how the influence of the secondaries over primaries is mitigated in such way that the induced can not see the inducer and remove the extra effort required to fight against the nature.

Not sure if I am wrong, but the induced coil will have a reversed magnetic polarity in relation to inducer.

I am just thinking of this system like a hammer and nail inserted into piece of wood, we hit the nail with adequate force to penetrate the wood and the wood will exert enough friction/clamping force to retain the nail into position, continuous hammering will make the nail to advance in one direction only if the force applied is strong enough to overcome the resistance of the wood opposing the nail.

This is my take, which may be wrong:
Since there is no mechanical motion there isn't a force between 'rotor' and 'stator'. Mechanical generators waste power trying to overcome those physical forces in the generator, such as friction. The primary and secondary magnetic fields don't interact directly in space. The magnetic field strength and flux is simply the summation of all magnetic fields at a point in space. These fields don't interact directly.

The principle of superposition

Electric fields created by different sources, e.g., by two or more point charges, simply add together as vectors. Similarly magnetic fields created by different sources, e.g., by two or more current-carrying wires, also add together as vectors. This superposition principle applies to all electric and magnetic fields, including those comprising electromagnetic waves created by different sources. If the E vectors point approximately in the same direction at a given instant of time, the result of adding the vectors will be a sum that is larger than its parts: this is known as constructive interference. If on the other hand, the E vectors point approximately in opposite directions, the result will be smaller than its parts, which is known as destructive interference.

Superposition works for other types of waves also. For example, when small-amplitude waves on the surface of a liquid pass each other, the superposition of two wave crests passing each other creates an extra-high crest; while a crest passing a trough creates a flat spot. (Large-amplitude waves in the ocean are a more complicated story: when two of them meet, they can cause each other to break.)

[Ufopolitics]

Hello all,

Please forgive my ignorance but, I really want to understand this method of operation.

Hello Classic,

If magnetic field (unidirectional) is maintained ALL TIME in the system and only the point of great of magnetism respective N pole and S pole is changing position relative to the system ... why do we have a so called BEMF ? Back spike only happens when magnetic field collapse as far as I am aware and magnetic field reverse polarity.

I don't know why you call this magnetic field "unidirectional"...it is running on Spacetime on a Bidirectional fashion, or back and forth.
Second, on this Linear Series Config, we have a sequence where the 'disconnected coils' from sequence will always (as the intrinsic and normal reaction of any coil) REVERSE Voltage with a much higher spike than it was at input...

As I can understand with my limited knowledge in Figuera generator primary coils maintain the unidirectional field all time while secondaries will see it as a virtual magnet traveling in the same direction ... where I agree the secondaries will see this like a magnet going in and out in a controlled manner where BEMF is due mostly to the synchronised movement induced by primaries and not due to natural occurring force of the nature ... or at least natural force is assisted by the system.

On the original 1908 Figuera Patent, the way it is described with the only one diagram it has, is that he varies the resistance of the primary coils (inducing coils), and when you do that, you are also varying the Currents (amperage), since they are 'indirectly (inversely) proportional', so when resistance increases, amperage decreases.
When amperage decreases, so does the Magnetic Field strength, decreases.

Figuera wanted to 'mimic' what he observed on the generators of his time...that the inducing coils will come closer to the induced coils to then leave further away, when rotation  was taking place.

The flaws on his 1908 Patent design is that when you are approaching the Induced, is when you MUST have the Field at full strength, not the contrary.
According to the way he has set his commutator with the only positive brush.

We will never know if this patented design was his final and successful one...I honestly doubt it.

Now, I am having some difficulties to understand how the influence of the secondaries over primaries is mitigated in such way that the induced can not see the inducer and remove the extra effort required to fight against the nature ... it should be a delay somewhere happening in order to obtain the gain we seek ?

On any electromagnetic generator there will always be TWO Fields, the Inducing Field and whenever the secondary or 'Field Coils' are LOADED (closed) then they generate this REACTIVE FIELD. Again this is 'Natural' Fields Interaction response, there is NOTHING we can do to change that fact.

Now, the Inducing Field will influence the secondary generating power by induction (Faraday 1800's) and this Field will WEAKEN as soon as the secondary is LOADED.
We have not been able to change that natural reaction, reason why all generators comes with an Automatic Voltage Regulator (AVR), in order to compensate for the Voltage Drop when loaded, and the higher demand from load, the more the inducing field will fall.

A simple explanation is that the Induced, loaded Field will always 'SUCK' Energy or Drain the Inducing Field...then we need to increase frequency or RPM's to compensate.

This phenomena will take place on ANY Generator, even the Figuera from 1908, or mine now the Linear-Series Approach.

Not sure if I am wrong, but the induced coil will have a reversed magnetic polarity in relation to inducer.

You are completely correct, this fact was discovered by Lenz back on the 1800's...(Lenz Law)...then he put a Negative Sign in fron of Faraday Inducing Formula.

I am just thinking of this system like a hammer and nail inserted into piece of wood, we hit the nail with adequate force to penetrate the wood and the wood will exert enough friction/clamping force to retain the nail into position, continuous hammering will make the nail to advance in one direction only if the force applied is strong enough to overcome the resistance of the wood opposing the nail.
Also, I can observe if the wood start to crack due to excessive size of the nail, there is no friction/clamping force to retain the nail into position.

That is the WRONG Comparison, just because the wood will NOT Oppose to you hammering the nail...wood is soft, nail is solid steel.
Now, try to hammer a nail on a block of solid steel...

I do understand the importance of correct driving the primaries but, I can't see any focus or explanations of isolation between primaries and secondaries ... which Figuera has accounted in order to obtain a beneficial gain.

ALL Generators, including Figuera, and mine...the primary and secondaries are 'isolated', meaning not connected between  them in series nor in parallel.
The only direct relation (interactions) between primary and secondaries is through their Magnetic Fields.

However, we can always have a dedicated secondary to feed back the inducing fields through an external electrical connection, ALL Generators do have that.

Hope you are satisfied with my answers.

Regards

Ufopolitics