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19th Century DC Dynamos Spec's & Relationship to build a Figuera Generator

Started by Ufopolitics, Jan 24, 2024, 07:56 PM

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hidrogeno

Hello ufo,
you are doing well to continue researching everything related to the dynamos of Figuera's time. This is where the possible solution lies, since Figuera was inspired by a dynamo, then decomposed it into seven or eight sections. If you look at the Manchester dynamo, it has 32 contacts on the collector, that means 16 coils or set of turns, of which eight are in the northern hemisphere and the other eight in the southern hemisphere, as it turns out that the northern yoke covers 120º and the south another 120º there are another 120º free of which there are 60º left and 60º right. The brushes are only movable by 30º, which is 90º from the perpendicular to the north and south poles to the magnetic centers minus the 60º free of magnetism because it is not affected by the yokes.

Hidrógeno.

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Quote from: hidrogeno on Jan 27, 2024, 03:53 PMHello ufo,
you are doing well to continue researching everything related to the dynamos of Figuera's time. This is where the possible solution lies, since Figuera was inspired by a dynamo, then decomposed it into seven or eight sections. If you look at the Manchester dynamo, it has 32 contacts on the collector, that means 16 coils or set of turns, of which eight are in the northern hemisphere and the other eight in the southern hemisphere, as it turns out that the northern yoke covers 120º and the south another 120º there are another 120º free of which there are 60º left and 60º right. The brushes are only movable by 30º, which is 90º from the perpendicular to the north and south poles to the magnetic centers minus the 60º free of magnetism because it is not affected by the yokes.

Hidrógeno.

Thanks Hidrogeno,

That is called the "idle" angles...where "apparently" there is no Field interaction...However, there is...and it is called "Field Distortion" which comes from Rotation.

So those two angles, right and left are there for a reason, to allow Space for this Distortion, as Fields tries to keep interacting with Stator Core, it distorts.

Field_Distortion.PNG

Also nowadays Generators and Motors still have that Angle-Separation in between stator poles.

This "distorsion" means fields drags not to be separated from steel, and this reflects in a very high mechanical force required by the "prime mover"...the Engine.

This increases as we add more loads to Generator...or Motor.

In Figuera's it is completely different approach, as there is no Rotation at all, but just a Linear movement. We then do not need those "idle" angles. The Field does not distort with a linear movement.

There is still a demand when we add loads...but then, all we need to do is to increase the frequency/speed of that small motor turning the positive brush... ;D

Cheers

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DYNAMOS VERSUS ALTERNATORS OF THE 19TH CENTURY (BASIC STUDY)

Hello to All,

After Member GreyWolf47 posted yesterday on his Builder's Topic:

Quote from: GreyWolf47 on Jan 28, 2024, 07:39 PMUfopolitics:
See Hawkins electrical guide vol 1 pages 165, 166 , 167, 168, 169an 170.
Greywolf47

I went ahead and review those Six (6) pages...

And actually, I found out I needed to go FURTHER BACK, to page 163... to find out, these Pages (163 to 170) are JUST dedicated to the AC Sinewave Output, from an ALTERNATOR, NOT from a DYNAMO.

See the pages here on: Hawkins Book (starts at page 163)

A DYNAMO DIFFERENTIATES FROM AN ALTERNATOR, SIMPLY, BY THE WAY THEY OUTPUT ELECTRICAL POWER:

1-ALTERNATORS OUTPUT AC SINEWAVE, WHICH GOES POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.

2-DYNAMOS OUTPUT PULSED DC CURRENTS, WHICH NEVER GO NEGATIVE.

DYNAMO BASIC PRINCIPLES.png

HOW AN ALTERNATOR GENERATES AC SINEWAVE CURRENTS:

ALTERNATOR BASIC PRINCIPLE (OUTPUT).png

HOW DYNAMOS GENERATE DC PULSES:

DYNAMO BASIC PRINCIPLES (OUTPUT).png

However, all these misleading comments, lead me to continue reading beyond, and entering into Dynamo's specific's related to wave analysis in detail...coming next.

Regards to All

Ufopolitics
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DYNAMO'S GRAMME RING ARMATURE, BEST TO DECOMPOSE MATRIX INTO A FIGUERA GENERATOR...


Ok, so, after reading about Alternators, and understanding these machines has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Figuera's Generator was conceived...

The 1908 Figuera Generator, was conceived based on the Engineering Reversal from a DYNAMO from the 19th Century (NOT FROM AN ALTERNATOR), and when you "reverse" something, it gives you the OPPOSITE RESULT than "Positive Model" (prior to Eng. reversal) gives as Output, So, the Figuera Generator outputs an AC Sinewave, NOT Direct Currents

And AC Output is awesome for our times!!...but NOT for those times, where they were still using DC Currents, as a matter of fact, Figuera even mentions on his 1908 Patent, that we could use "another small motor with a commutator" to REVERSE CURRENTS BACK TO DC (remember they did not have "converters" nor Diodes at those times...) ;D 

So, I kept reading (btw, I love to read) basically into the: REAL DYNAMO CHAPTER on Hawkins book, starting on Page 171

And after passing the "Basic" interpretation, based on a "single loop" of one wire (that cannot be any further from reality on how you really wind these machines for real...

The Book goes into the Graphic examples of the GRAMME RING ARMATURE

GRAMME_RING_ARMATURE_ONE COIL.png

GRAMME_RING_ARMATURE_TWO_ COILS.png

GRAMME_RING_ARMATURE_FOUR_ COILS.png

GRAMME_RING_ARMATURE_SIX_ COILS.png

GRAMME_RING_ARMATURE_MAGNETIC_FLUX_PATH.png

And Gramme Ring Armatures were NOT the best to use on Dynamos...they were succeeded by the Drum Armature, as further on with the Siemens Winding Design as the best of its time...

Gramme Armatures draw back, major disadvantage, was all the wires behind the steel ring, which were not induced at all, so that was a waste of copper...instead Drum Armatures have ALL wires exposed to Field Interactions...

HOWEVER, in order to "Decompose Dynamo's Matrix", into Figuera's Engineering Reversal, I consider it is better to analyze Dynamo's Armatures, based on Gramme's Structure, rather than the Drum Type.

When I use a 3D Software to Decompose Gramme Ring Armature Coils, and set them as Figuera's, in a GEOMETRICALLY LINEAR FASHION, there would not be, one single millimeter of any of those coils, that would not get induced, when set within the Magnetic Fields from Stator, according to Figuera's Geometry...

Regards

Ufopolitics
 
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GRAMME'S ARMATURE, SIX COILS GRAPHIC AND THE WAY IT CONNECTS TO COMMUTATOR

Now, looking back at previous image of the Gramme's Armature and the way wires attach to Commutator. contact bars..(You may have missed that detail, well, I didn't)


GRAMME_ARMATURE_SIX_ COILS_CONNECTIONS.png


Please, look at how the six coils are connected to Commutator...Doesn't it "looks familiar"...?

Of course it does!!...it is EXACTLY the way Figuera connected his Coils from his R Box to Commutator!!

DETAIL_FIGUERA_TAPS_COMM_TO_ARMATURE.png

With a "tap", a "derivative", in between the SERIES COILS...

And this specific connection type, also goes for the 2 and 4 Coils...now, can we put more Coils there?...like "seven"?...of course we can!

All we need to do then, is to start the decomposing-matrix and reverse it, process, and film it...sorry, meant "batch render" it... ;D


Regards


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