Electromagnetic Generator Theory

[rakarskiy]

Hello rakarskiy,

Please explain what you mean by this statement "The main thing is that if you put the wire in a closed groove of the core, the magnetic flux lines of force will never cut it." 

I don't see any closed grooves anywhere in the pictures of this thread.  And every motor or generator I have ever worked on in 50 years of experience has always had the wires in a groove.  This allows the wires to be fully imbedded in the magnetic flux that is being induced into the surrounding steel or iron.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Good day!
It's very simple, magnetic lines of force are closed in the ring of Anapol (Toroidal dipole) always along the shortest path. If the surface of the anchor core (the tip of the anchor core slot rod, above, then the lines of force will be focused already in the slot rod. Cut (contact) in sufficient density of magnetic induction B with the conductor in the slot to fulfill the EMF formula (conductor in a magnetic field E = B_mLV) cannot. When the conductor is in the slot or on the coil rod, the condition of "dynamic toroidal moment" is satisfied for the conductor, which in electrical engineering is expressed by the transformer EMF formula (anapole moment E = 2πΦf / √2 = 2π(Φ = ∆B_m*S)f / √2 ; at the moment (2π/√2 = 4.44) = E = 4.44 Φ f ).  The phenomenon of ANAPOLE and ANAPOLE MOMENT was first described by the Soviet physicist ZELDOVICH Y. B., Electromagnetic interaction with parity violation, "ZHETF", 1957, v. 33, p. 1531.  In modern physics, its interpretations have changed slightly, but essentially nothing has changed.  It is not clear why these discoveries and definitions for general education subjects were not corrected (for special courses in physics and design of electric machines, everything is taught correctly). Although the direction of the current vector is also taught for everyone with a false interpretation of current from plus to minus, while voltage is correct from plus to minus, and current from minus to plus. Although this is also an incomplete disclosure of vectors and spins.



I have already explained this point using the example of DINAMO in my publication research GENERATOR FIGUERA 1902-1908

 If the armature is made according to the Dynamo Gramme technology, then the EMF peak will be for wires in the plane [BB'], due to the cutting of the magnetic lines of the wires on the armature located between the pole of the electromagnet and the armature core (open winding type), the EMF formula is: E = Blv. If the armature is made with grooves for laying wires into the groove (closed type), then the EMF peak will be at the position [AA']. EMF in this case is calculated according to the transformer formula: E= 4,44Φf.

P.S.
Toroidal moment - Wikipedia
Dynamic toroidal dipole - Wikipedia

I prefer to call the phenomena as the author called them:

ANAPOL (from the Greek an — negative particle and polos — pole) (toroidal dipole) — a system of currents in a closed state, a closed electromagnetic field that is characterized by the anapole moment vector. A change in the anapole moment over time, as a rule, leads to the emission of electromagnetic waves by the system.

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[Ufopolitics]

Hello rakarskiy,
 
Please explain what you mean by this statement "The main thing is that if you put the wire in a closed groove of the core, the magnetic flux lines of force will never cut it."

I don't see any closed grooves anywhere in the pictures of this thread.  And every motor or generator I have ever worked on in 50 years of experience has always had the wires in a groove.  This allows the wires to be fully imbedded in the magnetic flux that is being induced into the surrounding steel or iron.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Good day!
[...]

 If the armature is made according to the Dynamo Gramme technology, then the EMF peak will be for wires in the plane [BB'], due to the cutting of the magnetic lines of the wires on the armature located between the pole of the electromagnet and the armature core (open winding type), the EMF formula is: E = Blv. If the armature is made with grooves for laying wires into the groove (closed type), then the EMF peak will be at the position [AA']. EMF in this case is calculated according to the transformer formula: E= 4,44Φf.

P.S.
Toroidal moment - Wikipedia
Dynamic toroidal dipole - Wikipedia

I prefer to call the phenomena as the author called them:

ANAPOL (from the Greek an — negative particle and polos — pole) (toroidal dipole) — a system of currents in a closed state, a closed electromagnetic field that is characterized by the anapole moment vector. A change in the anapole moment over time, as a rule, leads to the emission of electromagnetic waves by the system.

OK, Hello Rakarskiy,

FIRST- Your Image above is the Manchester Dynamo, NOT the Gramme Ring Armature...The Gramme Ring Armature was DISCONTINUED WAY BACK THEN, to be REPLACED FIRST, by the DRUM ARMATURE...Which later on were added the "GROOVES" to avoid wires to get out of place when Dynamo was rotating at Higher Speeds.
And since then UP TO NOW, ALL MOTORS AND GENERATORS HAVE "GROOVES"...
HOWEVER, they WORK PERFECTLY WELL,and are STILL on the Market.

SECOND- The Manchester Diagram You have made -ON RIGHT with "Planes" (AA') and (BB') ARE WRONG!!

These (AA' & BB') are NOT "PLANES"!!
These are SWEEP ANGLES OF ROTATION which extend from each corner of Stator Core next to Armature, on the AIR GAP.
And depending on Rotation Sense, where the SWEEP ENDS, that where it gives its PEAK
On AA' NOTHING HAPPENS (NO EMF, NO INDUCTION) on the Manchester Dynamo NOR on the Gramme Ring Armature!!

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INDUCED EMF TAKES PLACE WHEN B FIELD (STATIC HERE) IS SWEPT BY ALL ROTATING CONDUCTORS ON ARMATURE, WHICH ARE PERPENDICULAR TO LINES OF FORCE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, PERIOD!!
ON ANY MODERN GENERATOR THOSE WIRES THAT GET INDUCED ARE INSIDE THE SO CALLED "GROOVE"!!!

So, please STOP, from keep "Promoting this Anapole Moment" ON THIS FORUM!!...AS IT ONLY APPLIES TO A CLOSED TOROID, NOT OPEN, NOT WITH THE 1800 DYNAMOS, NOT WITH THE ACTUAL GENERATORS STEEL STRUCTURE!!
PLUS STOP WRITING HERE THAT "WIRES  INSIDE GROOVE DON'T GET AN INDUCED EMF"!!...BECAUSE IT IS THE WRONG INFO!!

IT IS CONFUSING THAT YOU KEEP PROMOTING THIS WRONG CONCEPTS ALL OVER THIS FORUM!!

I will wait for your ANSWER HERE, then when we are done, I will delete all these posts, or transfer them ALL to your Generator Topic...which I think is the CORRECT THING TO DO, so it gets ALL CLEARED UP!!!

So, we CAN KEEP HERE within TOPIC!!

Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello All,

The way INDUCED EMF works on ANY ROTATING GENERATOR, WHETHER FIELD MOVES AND WIRES ARE FIXED, OR FIELD IS STATIC AND WIRES ROTATE:

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AGAIN, IT DOES NOT MATTER, IF WIRES OR FIELD IS THE MOVING BODY, IT ALWAYS TAKES PLACE THE WAY SHOWN ON ABOVE IMAGE.

NO MATTER IF WIRES ARE INSIDE "A GROOVE" OR NOT, IT WILL GET INDUCED EMF NO MATTER WHAT!!

THIS IS IT!!

Sincerely

Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Rakarskiy,

I would like to clear ALL this False and Confusing information  here.

This "Anapole Moment" is only applicable to Closed Toroids, NOT once We open its structure!!

Once Steel on Toroid is CUT OPEN, the Magnetic Field forms as a Typical N-S Poles, at the two cut ends.

We need to clear this up, as it brings confusion, which I do not want on Forum!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

[rakarskiy]

One reader wrote to me about my publication "Invention of the Electromagnetic Generator". A very old physics teacher (who immigrated to Europe during the Soviet Union) said that they had linked the formula for transformer EMF with the simplest AC generator with a core, which I had depicted in my slides. Indeed, magnetic lines cannot cut a conductor. But the very reason for the occurrence of EMF, how it occurs, was explained by the example of cutting the magnetic field lines of a conductor in a simple generator with a frame in a magnetic field. They could not explain this paradox to students. He advised me to find old educational films on physics of his time. I did so and made a still frame (gif) about the system of forming a closed magnetic flux in a core and changing it, there is a winding in which the EMF is induced.



I do not urge anyone to take my word for it, just analyze and conduct experiments. I wish everyone to comprehend the truth. As soon as you understand the origins, you will receive a tool for understanding the physics itself, how electricity is generated at all power plants on our planet, starting with the first generators of George Forbes (who already in the finished model, installed at the hydroelectric power station at Niagara Falls, hid the phase wires inside the core)



Photograph of a synchronous generator operating on a magnetic system and the principle of inducing EMF, which are shown in the gif image above.

With respect, to all seekers of truth.

P.S.
"If you want to hide it, put it in a visible place"