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Hello to ALL,

This Category-Board-Topic came up at light of an "incident" that took place a few days ago on a Topic here...

And I want to make sure we all understand CLEARLY our Responsibilities here in an OPEN SOURCE FORUM.

First, You have to "make up your mind" BEFORE you start a New Topic here, based on an "idea" you had, and wanted to share, expecting other members to HELP You to complete your initial idea, and make it work...

It is a completely LACK OF ETHICS, to start a Topic here, get all the help you can, where members just contribute in "bona fide" to your weak and not funded, needing verification, idea, whether by replications done, where members recommend betterments, improvements, or simply by counseling you on the right paths...

...And then after getting a "completed working package", you then run to the nearest Patent Application Office to get it "legally bounded" for YOUR OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT!!

It is NOT gonna happen!!, at least, I guarantee NOT HERE, at Over Unity Machines dot com!!

Sorry, but you are NOT going to have your cake well baked, beautifully decorated and ready with the help of many people...and then, eat it all by yourself!!

So, a temporary "Patch" Solution to Topics that are already running here, and that Authors have intentions to seek for a Patent, I will just add a specific Note at the First Page, in red letters, warning Members about it, so, if they want to still "contribute" or Replicate it and give their professional opinions, they do it by their full desire to do so, at their own risk, and would not seek for any future retribution-compensation or expect any recognition on a Legal Paper called "Patent".

ALL DISCLOSURES ON OVERUNITY MACHINES ARE FULLY OPEN SOURCE. AND THAT MEANS NO PATENTING ANY OF THE DISCLOSED MATERIAL HERE!!

It is Stated at the very beginning of this Webpage plus at its Footer.

Patents are NOT AN OPEN-SOURCE INFORMATION; they are designed to PROTECT LEGALLY an INDIVIDUAL or a Group of INDIVIDUALS THAT SIGNED IN, at the time of filing an Application.

And it is LEGALLY PROTECTING from COPYING, REPRODUCING or MARKETING such Invention.

Patents are NOT "A MANUAL TO BUILD A SPECIFIC DEVICE" BUT to be written AS MORE GENERALLY AS IT COULD BE, and ONLY that way, Patents are Protected from any "variations" or "improvements" done by other's.

So, Patents are not a basic "HOW TO DO IT" DOCUMENT, like it is exposed on OPEN FORUMS, where we SHARE FREELY our specifications, our Designs, Our CAD'S...with FULL EXPLANATIONS READY TO BE REPLICATED AND DO WHATEVER YOU WISH WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE, AS TO SELL IT TO OTHER'S OR JUST FOR YOUR OWN USE.

And so, it is very easy for an Individual to walk in an Open Forum with a "Fictitious Name"...play an "act drama" to gather all info from other members, complete his package deal, and ...good bye...I never met you before...and not even a "thanks so much" included.


Ufopolitics

Dear Ufopolitics,

I do agree 100% with your vision and I would like to share my point of view.

[color=var(--input-txt-color)]Personnaly, I will share here every step of accomplishement I will make based on previous knowledge acquired from here or else where. (As you know I have already started by leting you know about my replica of your R&D concerning the Lüling motor. Thank's again for the space you've created for me regarding it).[/color]

Now the thing is, there is nothing new under the sun, in ALL things we discover in this field of free energy. Also, no re-inventor that have been pushed by greed and runned to make an official patent declaration went to success enjoying $$$ by commercializing "He/Her-invention". They all suddenly dying"... Why ? Simply because we do have controllers and it's not about money, they can print money, free energy simply don't make good slaves, because once you have it, you are literally free from the system and that is exactly what they do not want and then you become a danger to the organisation in place, they will never allow that.

All this to say, when achieved, it MUST be offer open source to the world in order to break the "matrix" and to stay alive. The naive/greed ones trying to make $$$ from it will sadly perish and that will be their punishment because it is just a to big achievement for humanity to only be contained in this purpose only.

Best Reagrds,

FreeMind
 

It is simply outrageous that someone dare to ask for replication of their un proved devices and not bear the cost of replication while they are clearly set to apply for a patent ... this is just an abuse beyond of lack of common sense

I know very well in bussines count to make the claim first even if they need to walk on corpses ... like Bill Gates, Eddison or many others, and try to mend things done wrong later.

And honestly with all I've seen until now on many forums I may even be able to name those who already have at least 1 devices doing the work we seek here, but not all have behave in such way and they manage to do their own work at their expenses I this is what is worth respect.

EEG_EM_New_Technique_TRANSVERSE_FLUX (TF) (https://overunitymachines.com/index.php?msg=218)

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Hi All,

In this thread I hope to present a new technique (at least it's new to Excess Energy Generation)
that has some great potential for developing useful devices.

THIS IS A "NEW APPROACH" TO EXCESS ENERGY GENERATION (EEG)

Although the technique has been known for over a 100 years, TRANSVERSE FLUX (TF) methods do
not appear to have been applied, to date, for "stand alone" fueless generation of power.

Preliminary analysis shows some great promise. We'll investigate further by designing a few
generator configurations. TF technology has recently (10 years or so) been employed in Permanent
Magnet (TFPM) generators but all these schemes use a rotating structure and PM's.

This new approach (a novel, undocumented, nor investigated idea) simply replaces the "PM's" with
equivelant "Electromagnets." This avoids or eliminates many of the TFPM drawbacks - the generator
becomes stationary (no cogging torque), requires no external anything, and is self-sustaining.

The TF methods appear to produce substantial output power while requiring very little input power.

These devices are very simple and easy to build while requiring no exotic materials, assembly tools
nor skills.

Stay tuned - I'll go through the investigation, development and design in some detail; including CAE Analysis;
sourcing, fabrication techniques and device implementation and testing.

However - please be aware that this new approach has been submitted as a Provisional Patent. So, if you have
a problem with that; just quietly move on. Thanks! 

SL (solarlab) 

Sorry - forgot to oversize it and use Red, so here's my modified Post #1 again:

However - please be aware that this new approach has been submitted as a Provisional Patent. So, if you have
a problem with that; just quietly move on. Thanks! 

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 15, 2024, 06:17 PMEEG_EM_New_Technique_TRANSVERSE_FLUX (TF) (https://overunitymachines.com/index.php?msg=218)

#1

(https://overunitymachines.com/Themes/NameX_v1.2.8/images/post/xx.png) Dec 20, 2023, 09:51 PM (https://overunitymachines.com/index.php?msg=218) 

Hi All,

In this thread I hope to present a new technique (at least it's new to Excess Energy Generation)
that has some great potential for developing useful devices.

THIS IS A "NEW APPROACH" TO EXCESS ENERGY GENERATION (EEG)

Although the technique has been known for over a 100 years, TRANSVERSE FLUX (TF) methods do
not appear to have been applied, to date, for "stand alone" fueless generation of power.

Preliminary analysis shows some great promise. We'll investigate further by designing a few
generator configurations. TF technology has recently (10 years or so) been employed in Permanent
Magnet (TFPM) generators but all these schemes use a rotating structure and PM's.

This new approach (a novel, undocumented, nor investigated idea) simply replaces the "PM's" with
equivelant "Electromagnets." This avoids or eliminates many of the TFPM drawbacks - the generator
becomes stationary (no cogging torque), requires no external anything, and is self-sustaining.

The TF methods appear to produce substantial output power while requiring very little input power.

These devices are very simple and easy to build while requiring no exotic materials, assembly tools
nor skills.

Stay tuned - I'll go through the investigation, development and design in some detail; including CAE Analysis;
sourcing, fabrication techniques and device implementation and testing.

However - please be aware that this new approach has been submitted as a Provisional Patent. So, if you have
a problem with that; just quietly move on. Thanks! 

SL (solarlab) 

Sorry - forgot to oversize it and use Red, so here's my modified Post #1 again:

However - please be aware that this new approach has been submitted as a Provisional Patent. So, if you have
a problem with that; just quietly move on. Thanks! 

Hello SL,

Ok, that's great that you have posted that statement on your first post on your Topic.

Like I wrote before, it is your prerogative to do whatever you wish with your idea(s) - invention(s), as long as you inform Members here what your plans are, (like you did) that is fine.

As for Educational Purposes is also accepted to whoever wants to learn about it.

I will just change to red your statement on your original post #1.

Regards

Ufopolitics

Hi Ufopolitics,

Thank you for leaving the EE_TFG thread open to those who may wish to learn more and
allowing me to further present and discuss this evolving Excess Energy TFG topic as it develops.

F.Y.I.

One of the many "publication and information resources:" 
[IJRED is a small group of 5581 Reg. Users, 3676 Reg. Readers]

The International Journal of Renewable Energy Development - (Int. J. Renew. Energy Dev.;
p-ISSN: 2252-4940; e-ISSN:2716-4519) is an open access and peer-reviewed journal published
by Center of Biomass and Renewable Energy (CBIORE) that aims to promote renewable energy
researches and developments, and it provides a link between scientists, engineers, economist,
societies and other practitioners.

https://ijred.cbiore.id/index.php/ijred/index (https://ijred.cbiore.id/index.php/ijred/index)

Including IJRED policy re: open source and patents...

COPYRIGHT AND LICENSE STATEMENT
https://ijred.cbiore.id/index.php/ijred/pages/view/COPYRIGHT%20AND%20LICENSE%20STATEMENT (https://ijred.cbiore.id/index.php/ijred/pages/view/COPYRIGHT%20AND%20LICENSE%20STATEMENT)

4. Rights of Authors

Authors retain the following rights:

-    copyright, and other proprietary rights relating to the article, such as patent rights,
-    the right to use the substance of the article in future own works, including lectures and books,
-    the right to reproduce the article for own purposes, including self-archive the article.

Just in case you were not aware of what's "out there," "what's going on," and "how it
all works"...

Regards,

SL

Hello to All,

@solarlab : No problem man, you did the right thing by posting -Up Front- your intentions to Patent, on your First Post of your Topic.

@All:

But this is completely "common sense" People!!...

[color=var(--input-txt-color)]Here is a very simple (but possible) story just as an example...[/color]

Say Mr. John Doe, invents and designs a Fully operated Motor based on only Permanent Magnets and Steel and Aluminum Parts...it works superb and decides to Patent it with USPTO...He thinks he will be very wealthy very soon...

John built his prototype to demonstrate it works (to himself, no need to show it working to USPTO, like Joe Newman did, and still did not get a patent on US soil...had to go to South Africa to get it)

Mr. John Doe's Motor could be built in any size, and we could regulate its speed, torque plus rotation direction by just mechanically moving back-forth and semi rotating some "discs"...

It could be built from a very tiny size to a huge scale motor, using Neodymium Magnets of extreme power...his motor does not require ANY EXTERNAL INPUT...

His Motor would last retaining its power for over 100 years (lifetime of a Neo's PM)...plus any other "consumable" that we need to replace like ball bearings...maybe every 5 or 10 years, depending on usage...

and realizing the only physical friction are on its two bearings...motor runs very cold at all time...no need to use an internal fan.

This type of motor will work ANYWHERE on this Planet....even on the Sahara's Desert...without absolutely any need to carry any heavy batteries, cables or else...

USPTO Examiner handling John Doe's Motor, had to get an "approval" to accept application from his boss...but he turns out this file to its Superior Department...the DoE (Dept. of Energy)....

To be continued...by you

Now, let's leave this brief and simple history here...and I will let you all give it your "Own Final Ending Chapter"...then I will know if you are as NAIVE as I thought you were...or as SMART as I figured out... ;D

And please, disregard any crap like "magnets do not have energy" or the energy magnets have is "conservative", etc...or that we will brake ALL "Existing Energy Conservation Laws"...and all of that...

Say John Doe DID BUILD his Magnet Motor and it works superb...no scam, no fake...

Go for it...

Regards

Ufopolitics

In order to patent in advance, it is necessary to study already existing patents ;) . 

For example:

CA2357550A1.pdf (storage.googleapis.com) (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf)

Quote from: rakarskiy on Apr 16, 2024, 12:22 PMIn order to patent in advance, it is necessary to study already existing patents ;) .

For example:

CA2357550A1.pdf (storage.googleapis.com) (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f1/73/db/bddc31a19a8100/CA2357550A1.pdf)

Yes Rakarskiy, that is called "Prior Patent Search"...and normally a Patent Lawyer would do that for you...within the Class that your application would be in...

And it MUST be done within the USPTO SEARCH DATABASE...so formats and info is within specifications required by office.

Regards

Ufopolitics 

If the inventor of a real free energy device of any kind were actually foolish or greedy enough to try and patent his or her invention they would very likely be told the government is taking your device in the interest of national security.  Of course that really means the energy cartel.  And I am sure you would be warned clearly that if you were to release the secret of your device to the public, you and your entire family would meet with a terrible accident.  The very powerful controllers of our world do NOT allow anyone to upset their control.

Patents - A Huge Wealth of Information - We all use and reference them almost daily in our endevours!

We used to use the University Library's patent section to review the "Field of Classification Search"
then, after finding something of interest, retrieve the complete patent from the patent data base
archives. E.g. Queen's University Library: https://guides.library.queensu.ca/c.php?g=501420&p=3436527 (https://guides.library.queensu.ca/c.php?g=501420&p=3436527)

Now days it's much easier since you can do it all on-line using the internet.

There is a wealth of "a priori" knowledge going back >100 years found in patents. A great resource.

A Patent Lawer is never used; at least I've never heard of a Patent Attorney being consulted during
the development or design stage of a project. Generally you are trying to solve a problem or a
way of doing things.

If and when something novel is discovered, then you might consult a patent professional, or do your
own preliminary search, to, in fact, determine if this novel discovery is patentable. If it is, then you
can either file a provisional (inexpensive and easy to do) or write up the patent yourself (it's not
that hard and there are plenty of guidelines) or you can seek professional help in whatever form
(usually at a bartered cost).

Note that the patent office rarely grants your "first pass" draft, and, once granted, there is a
recurring maintenance fee to keep the patent active. Many inventors choose to let their patent
drop after the initial period if there is no interest in licensing, etc... but their patent remains
in the data base and forms part of the over-all knowledge pool that we all use from time to time.

Papers published on the subject are also an extremely good source of more detailed technical
information and most are available on-line or through your organizations.

Just my 2 cents worth however - based on experience!

Example - EE_TFG - underlying (original) patent Modley US437501 - Sept 30, 1890

https://patents.google.com/patent/US437501A/en?oq=US437501+-+Sept+30%2c+1890 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US437501A/en?oq=US437501+-+Sept+30%2c+1890)

In Google Patents - See the "search terms" at the end of the patent...

SL

And, don't let "Patent Paranoia" scare you - the system has been functioning for a long long time
and, as you can see, there are a great variety and number of unique inventions available for review
and use.

Telecommunications, aviation, electronic communication, transport, energy, etc. etc. - if the big bad
government wanted to squash any/all of these things; well, they didn't do a very good job of it, did they?

Use logic and form your own learned opinion!

SL

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 16, 2024, 03:29 PMAnd, don't let "Patent Paranoia" scare you - the system has been functioning for a long long time
and, as you can see, there are a great variety and number of unique inventions available for review
and use.

Telecommunications, aviation, electronic communication, transport, energy, etc. etc. - if the big bad
government wanted to squash any/all of these things; well, they didn't do a very good job of it, did they?

Use logic and form your own learned opinion!

SL

Wow...SL!!,

You just sound like a "USPTO Sales Agent", trying to get us all involved into going for a Patent!!

It sounds and looks sooo beautiful, my gosh...

It is obvious that with ALL your expertise with the Patent Office...You forgot to mention about a Law...a Law that "APPLIES"  ONLY to "CERTAIN" Inventions...and was established since 1951...

HOWEVER, STILL ACTIVE UP TO NOW...

It is called:


This Law, called: INVENTORS "PROTECTION" ACT, and actually that "PROTECTION" automatically converts (in fine print though) into INVENTORS SECRECY ACT OF 1951...and it recites briefly:

The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 (Pub. L.Tooltip Public Law (United States) 82–256, 66 Stat. 3, enacted February 1, 1952, codified at 35 U.S.C. ch. 17) is a body of United States federal law designed to prevent disclosure of new inventions and technologies that, in the opinion of selected federal agencies, present an alleged threat to the economic stability or national security of the United States.

I mean anyone CAN NOT be that STUPID, to think that a FREE ENERGY MACHINE, CAPABLE OF SELF-SUSTAINING, SELF FEEDING, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY FUEL OF ANY TYPE TO OPERATE...AND CAN PROVIDE ELECTRICAL POWER TO WHOLE HOUSEHOLDS AND INDUSTRY, EASY TO BUILD, SUCH THAT ANYONE WITH SUFFICIENT SKILLS CAN BUILD ONE ON HIS CAR GARAGE..


OF COURSE IT IS NOT "ONLY" GOING TO BE A GOD DAMN "THREAT TO ECONOMIC STABILITY & NATIONAL SECURITY" FOR THE US, BUT AS WELL TO ALL INTERNATIONAL-GLOBAL ECONOMY, DUE THAT, SIMPLY RIGHT NOW, WHOLE EARTH IS A COMPLETELY "OIL ADDICT", TO OIL BURNING, ALL KIND OF FUELS, EXPLOITING, AND "DRILL BABY DRILL" SLOGAN BACK AND FORTH...NO MATTER IF WE DESTROY EARTH ON THE PROCESS...BUT HEY, DO NOT WORRY...'CAUSE WITH MUSK WE WILL BE SOON COLONIZING MARS...LOL!!!

And so, you still expect to be GRANTED a Patent for such a Machine...??!!

Also read the VIOLATION CONSEQUENCES-PUNISHMENT OF SUCH INVENTORS SECRECY ACT...IT IS NOT "PRETTY" AT ALL.

INVENTORS SECRECY ACT 1951, WIKIPEDIA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act#:~:text=-80%2C%201917)-,Invention%20Secrecy%20Act%20of%201951,declared%20war%20or%20national%20emergency.)

LEGAL COUNSELING, SECRECY ACT 1951 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act#:~:text=-80%2C%201917)-,Invention%20Secrecy%20Act%20of%201951,declared%20war%20or%20national%20emergency.)

Ufopolitics

Hi Ufopolitics,

Although I do think the Patent System is a whole lot better than nothing; I wouldn't go so far
as to say " You just sound like a "USPTO Sales Agent", trying to get us all involved into going for a Patent!!"

However, I would say I do believe in exercising a good degree of scrutiny relating to "National Security."
After all - I live and work here - and I'm grateful for what freedoms we still are able to enjoy!

There are still some worse ones out there... as we all probably know!

Also, I can't think of, or know of, one example of any "Excess Energy (OU)" device that worked properly
and was suddenly conficated by the Feds or MIC - last time I checked we were still fueling our Jets with
JP4 and running our Jeeps on petrol. Of course, I can only know, what I know!

SL

On the other hand - it might be OK if everyone had a nuc-reactor in his back yard and
used a hypersonic-drive to power his daily commute Rust bucket!   ::)

Just kidding...

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 16, 2024, 07:29 PMHi Ufopolitics,
[...]
Also, I can't think of, or know of, one example of any "Excess Energy (OU)" device that worked properly
and was suddenly conficated by the Feds or MIC - last time I checked we were still fueling our Jets with
JP4 and running our Jeeps on petrol. Of course, I can only know, what I know!

SL

Yes, it is obvious "you have never heard of any such device(s) that was/were confiscated before..."

Just because you have not done the proper research...

Do this Inventor's names and their inventions (devices) sound familiar at all?

1- Stanley Meyer (1990's) Water Powered Car...

2- Johnson Super Electric Motor, 300 HP...(Greyhound contract never took place)

3- Joseph Newman's Motor...(1980's) ended up patenting his motor in South Africa...US denied his Patent.

4- Dr. Robert Moray's Energy Solid State Generator (1950's)

5- Arie De Geus Infinite Pancake Battery...(1990's)

And so, I could go on and on...like the Energizer Rabbit...

Back to the "Secrecy Act"...

Each year, tens of thousands of inventions and patent applications are reviewed by hand to decide if they should be allowed to be published or should be hidden from the public. In the four-year window of 2013 to 2017, an average of 117 new inventions per year were restricted with Secrecy Orders.

In the same 2013-2017 period of time, an average of 25 Secrecy Orders were reportedly rescinded per year.

5,792 unique patents were placed under Secrecy Orders in 2018.

Through 2012-2020, the United States Patent Office began investigations into expanding application of the Invention Secret Act to have more consideration of economic impacts on American markets from new inventions, if those new ideas may be disruptive to existing industries.


Anyways, this was NOT the point of this Topic...at all.

And so, I need TO DRIVE IT BACK where the point was and STILL IS, RELATED TO THIS WEBSITE.

Ufopolitics

Since there is no way to even edit a spelling mistake when you enter 
preview (it just appears to be posted and closed) - I'll put this
"waist-of-time" where it belongs - the "Big Round Bin!"

Have a good one - but a last bit of useless observation -

Fuguera's device may have also used the "Transverse Flux" scheme (Lorentz Force Law)!
Recall: Modley - ~ 1890, Fuguera - ~ 1908; just maybe...

SL

How come we know about these if they're SECRET?

We actually built and tested a few Stanley Meyer devices - but don't tell anyone
we don't want to get into trouble... we blew the roof off a garage it worked so well!

Anyway, you're right again - this is just plain silly! CU

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 16, 2024, 08:02 PMSince there is no way to even edit a spelling mistake when you enter
preview (it just appears to be posted and closed) -

Site works flawlessly SL, more likely it is the "User" who has no idea how it works...

When you "preview" it does NOT POST IT, but to go back to your editing window...you must scroll down...because the preview pops above editing window.

When you try to post and someone has posted already, site software gives you a WARNING in a yellow-red stripe...and all you can do is either press "Post" or go back and re edit it...or open forum in another Tab...and review there the new comment...

You have 90 MINUTES to edit your posts...isn't that enough?

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 16, 2024, 08:02 PMI'll put this waist-of-time" where it belongs - the "Big Round Bin!"

Have a good one - but a last bit of useless observation -

It is spelled "waste" of time...waist relates to your belt waist size...

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 16, 2024, 08:02 PMFuguera's device may have also used the "Transverse Flux" scheme (Lorentz Force Law)!
Recall: Modley - ~ 1890, Fuguera - ~ 1908; just maybe...

SL

It is FIGUERA...not FUGUERA...

I do believe you are going to need more time for fixing your spelling errors, bro...

Ufopolitics

THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG PROBLEM HERE: 

You have been exposed to one method of GENERATING EXCESS ENERGY (EE)
but there is no discussion, questions, or anything at all about the technique
nor the method of implementation. 

No Scientific, Engineering or Technical conversation at all.

Instead, the only dialogue focuses on SPELLING, OPEN SOURCE and the media semantics.

UNBELIEVABLE, simply no words to describe such behaviour, ... no words!

Well, IMHO, that SAYS IT ALL...  So be it then... 

At least I've done my part!    And will continue to do so and move EE forward...

SL

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 17, 2024, 01:58 AMTHERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG PROBLEM HERE: 

You have been exposed to one method of GENERATING EXCESS ENERGY (EE)
but there is no discussion, questions, or anything at all about the technique
nor the method of implementation.

No Scientific, Engineering or Technical conversation at all.

Instead, the only dialogue focuses on SPELLING, OPEN SOURCE and the media semantics.

UNBELIEVABLE, simply no words to describe such behaviour, ... no words!

Well, IMHO, that SAYS IT ALL...  So be it then...

At least I've done my part!    And will continue to do so and move EE forward...

SL

Hi Mr.

Why using all these font, font sizes and colors etc to express yourself..? There is no blind people here, and that will not help even if it was the case.

Words alone can easily accomplish this task you know, and it will be less irritating for readers. Can you try to think about the others too ?

Now, we are all enjoying this forum as it is even if improvement can always be made, but we are glad that this place exist at first place, that is why we're here, but you know that this is not an obligation ?

[color=var(--input-txt-color)]You can also leave if you feel comfortable[/color][color=var(--input-txt-color)], because you think, that we can't understand the system we are living in, and can't understand your level..[/color]

Finally, all the questions above are of course rhetorical.

Quote from: FreeMind on Apr 17, 2024, 03:51 AM

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 17, 2024, 01:58 AMTHERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG PROBLEM HERE: 
You have been exposed to one method of GENERATING EXCESS ENERGY (EE)
but there is no discussion, questions, or anything at all about the technique
nor the method of implementation.
No Scientific, Engineering or Technical conversation at all.
Instead, the only dialogue focuses on SPELLING, OPEN SOURCE and the media semantics.
UNBELIEVABLE, simply no words to describe such behaviour, ... no words!
Well, IMHO, that SAYS IT ALL...  So be it then...
At least I've done my part!    And will continue to do so and move EE forward...
SL

Hi Mr.
Why using all these font, font sizes and colors etc to express yourself..? There is no blind people here, and that will not help even if it was the case.
Words alone can easily accomplish this task you know, and it will be less irritating for readers. Can you try to think about the others too ?
Now, we are all enjoying this forum as it is even if improvement can always be made, but we are glad that this place exist at first place, that is why we're here, but you know that this is not an obligation ?
[color=var(--input-txt-color)]You can also leave if you feel comfortable, because you think, that we can't understand the system we are living in, and can't understand your level..[/color]
Finally, all the questions above are of course rhetorical.

(PS / I have to use translations tools, this can affect my text. So here is my post again,)

Hi Mr.

Why using all these font, font sizes and colors etc to express yourself..? There is no blind people here, and that will not help even if it was the case.

Words alone can easily accomplish this task you know, and it will be less irritating for readers. Can you try to think about the others too ?

Now, we are all enjoying this forum as it is even if improvement can always be made, but we are glad that this place exist at first place, that is why we're here, but you know that this is not an obligation ?

You can also leave if you feel uncomfortable, because you think, that we can't understand the system we are living in, and can't understand your level..

Finally, all the questions above are of course rhetorical.

Well, the real question is: why someone would join an open source forum to present a possible invention when they are set for patent application ?   ::)

Quote from: Classic on Apr 17, 2024, 04:54 AMWell, the real question is: why someone would join an open source forum to present a possible invention when they are set for patent application ?  ::)

Well, this is a good question indeed.....

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 17, 2024, 01:58 AMTHERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG PROBLEM HERE: 

You have been exposed to one method of GENERATING EXCESS ENERGY (EE)
but there is no discussion, questions, or anything at all about the technique
nor the method of implementation.

No Scientific, Engineering or Technical conversation at all.

@solarlab :

Yes, there seems to be a big problem here...and I will tell you where that "big problem" is:

First, You have exposed (on your Topic) a (possible) method to generate excess energy (excess over what?, excess of Output versus Input?...you must specify exactly what are you referring to as "excess")

Second, you have not shown a single BUILT, REAL PROTOTYPE showing your claims ARE REAL, on a VIDEO FORMAT, NOT EDITED.

And that is the ONLY WAY, to demonstrate that your Method works, period.

Therefore, there is no "method of implementation" that anyone could give you, until you MAKE A REAL MODEL BUILT, and Show it working.

You are claiming "Excess Energy" ...well, prove it!!

The burden of proof is only on your end, "the claimant".

And you can use and show all kind of CAE Simulations, all kind of Diagrams, all FEMM simulations...and NONE is EVER going to replace a REAL BUILD, A REAL SETUP, working as you claim.

Until then, it is just "smoke" in the air, with a lot of wind blowing against it.

On Paperwork drawings, explanations, etc, you can write as much as you please, which does not prove absolutely nada, nothing.

Once that you show a REAL BUILD MODEL, showing a detailed Input Versus Output measurements, then I am sure that you will have many "Scientific, Engineering and Technical conversations".

UNLESS, You are expecting that other Member here, put their efforts, money and time, to build a real model -about your method- for you, then come back to your Topic to post a video, showing that your method either works or not... 

Simply, because in order to get a Patent for your Method, it does work perfectly fine as it is right now, without any real proof, because, to get a patent you do not need to prove -at all- that your method works.

Actually, on the USPTO site you can find hundreds of UFO's and Flying Saucers Patents...and some have drawings like a little child could do playing with Colored Crayola's sketch's...and NONE of them could get off the ground level, not even one mm.

So, right now, you can start the patenting process application, without getting any other advice, counseling or "Scientific Opinions" nor to have anyone build a real model for you.

Sincerely

Ufopolitics

@All,

And this is the main point about this Thread/Topic...that we will see a bunch of "Inventors" coming here and opening Topics with just an "idea" of a "possible" method to reach OU.

And they may show a bunch of nice drawings, plus Simulated tests that probably have been forced to give great results...simply because you DO can override many parameters on a simulation software, and make it look good...BUT, THEY ARE NOT REAL!

More likely our Forum Members would be used as "testers" for their unproven ideas...

So, member X falls for this trap, spends his money and time, and starts building based on that "Theoretical Method-Idea"...plus many here that have the expertise, will collaborate to even get deviated from original and wrong "unproven idea concept"...making it more realistic for it to work, and more likely coming up with a completely different approach that originally was given by these "inventors"...and then they have the "audacity" to call it an "implementation"... ;D

To make a long story short...once they have a completely "finished package", proven to work...corrected, with the "free help and assistance" from others...then they run for the Patent Office.

Normally, this process is done, not because patent office requires a "working device"...BUT, because a proven working patent can easily be assigned to a ready to hire prospect for whatever interests they may have...

They may start asking for "Investors" to walk in with big $$ up front...maybe offering a portion of ownership on corporation equity...or percentage of gain on future investments...

Once they get even a "Patent Applied for" status...then they can start "advertising it online"...and everywhere, and using all that "Free" effort and money spent by other's that would NEVER, EVER, be recognized for all the work they have put into it, to make it real.

Sincerely

Ufopolitics

Anyone coming up with an "idea" here...MUST PROVE IT WORKS AS CLAIMED on the beginning of their Topic.

ONLY WAY TO PROVE IT, IS THROUGH AN UNEDITED VIDEO, SHOWING THE REAL PROTOTYPE BUILT, AND MEASURING ALL SPEC'S THAT PROVES HIS/HER CLAIMS.

Ufopolitics

Friends, a patent is a document of intellectual property right to an engineering solution. A document that can be used as a commodity or as a dissemination of information.

Two examples:
Clemente Figuera (patent as a commodity, yes it was the engineer's goal to sell his invention, which he did, the value is the equivalent of 320kg of gold, at the time of sale);
Robert Adams (patent as distribution of information, the idea is publicised, and crooks can't appropriate anything).

There is a third option of publishing the technology to the general public: a book/brochure of any form (even for a small fee, you as if fulfilled the condition of the system from sales pay taxes /income and taxes mock the system/, the system is powerless to change anything except to kill you), training video, website/forum with information, etc.).



 

Also, it was the first and last time the system bought something back from an engineer! Even if you are very rich and have your own invention, production for it, you don't need patents. The system will still find a way to kill you or put you in a "stall".

European project (D-1943) in 2018 (the system folded, the generators already delivered to consumers were withdrawn).

Turkish Magnetic Generator in 2019 (online demonstration broke down at the 7th hour and the sales project closed after the demonstration, the engineer was still waiting for approvals, and after the earthquake the company disappeared from the media landscape)

In the US, Joe Flynn's company - where is it (mysterious death in 2021 and closure)

In Russia, engineer Kornilov (technology similar to Flynn) in one night the engineer allegedly fell ill and died in hospital in the morning, the same night the laboratory was looted, the ready sample of 70 kW power disappeared.

Many examples in modern times 
 

Quote from: rakarskiy on Apr 18, 2024, 02:54 AMAlso, it was the first and last time the system bought something back from an engineer! Even if you are very rich and have your own invention, production for it, you don't need patents. The system will still find a way to kill you or put you in a "stall".

European project (D-1943) in 2018 (the system folded, the generators already delivered to consumers were withdrawn).

Turkish Magnetic Generator in 2019 (online demonstration broke down at the 7th hour and the sales project closed after the demonstration, the engineer was still waiting for approvals, and after the earthquake the company disappeared from the media landscape)

In the US, Joe Flynn's company - where is it (mysterious death in 2021 and closure)

In Russia, engineer Kornilov (technology similar to Flynn) in one night the engineer allegedly fell ill and died in hospital in the morning, the same night the laboratory was looted, the ready sample of 70 kW power disappeared.

Many examples in modern times
 

But hey.. We are under "paranoia".. :))

F.Y.I.

Please be Advised - The EE_TFG now moves into the Final Development Phase:

As of this morning we have partnered with several companies to further push the EE_TFG
into the final phases of production and marketing. This agreement covers the full spectrum
of resources required to properly field the many target device applications in a timely
manner on a on a large scale at a reasonable cost.

We will help this Group overcome a major hurdle on their way to helping secure a cleaner
environment; while enabling us to move forward. This unique grouping has all the
resources needed for further development and a good track record for innovation on
a broad scope.

This collaboration brings together, as a "Unified Group," the Resources, Processors, R&D,
Manufactures and Users - these are nearly all seperate entities - I haven't seen this type
of organization and co-operation before but considering the "subject" and "magnitude,"
maybe I'm just not all that suprised!  Very optimistic for the near-term future...

We bring to the table the experience in Engineering and Technical skills needed, plus, when
completed, we can step back and relax in relative comfort.

Been A Very Iinteresting Journey

I hope some of you enjoyed following along with the design and development of the
EE-TFG (and related subjects) as much as I did presenting them from the initial conceptual
idea through to the final analysis.

It's been an extremely interesting journey over the last several years; and very rewarding
in a multitude of technical study, analysis and other ways.

How It All Came About

The negotiation was an amazingly simple process; initial phone conversation; a few brief
conferences; and, after a "meeting of the minds on many common goals;" following a
somewhat detailed technical demonstrations; a rather lengthly engineering and contractual
meeting; and the detailed written offer, via courier, (it even shocked my attorney); it's done!

Although not sure, initially, what exactly the best course might have been for further
development and implementation of the EE_TFG; after reviewing everything, especially
the numbers (significant, ++), the decision became crystal clear...
    [I'm still a bit shakey at the magnitude of it all, actually!]

Take care and good luck chasing your dreams... It can, and will, happen!

Best regards,

SL (Solarlab - SAEC) 

Quote from: solarlab on Apr 18, 2024, 02:06 PMF.Y.I.

Please be Advised - The EE_TFG now moves into the Final Development Phase:

As of this morning we have partnered with several companies to further push the EE_TFG
into the final phases of production and marketing. This agreement covers the full spectrum
of resources required to properly field the many target device applications in a timely
manner on a on a large scale at a reasonable cost.

We will help this Group overcome a major hurdle on their way to helping secure a cleaner
environment; while enabling us to move forward. This unique grouping has all the
resources needed for further development and a good track record for innovation on
a broad scope.

This collaboration brings together, as a "Unified Group," the Resources, Processors, R&D,
Manufactures and Users - these are nearly all seperate entities - I haven't seen this type
of organization and co-operation before but considering the "subject" and "magnitude,"
maybe I'm just not all that suprised!  Very optimistic for the near-term future...

We bring to the table the experience in Engineering and Technical skills needed, plus, when
completed, we can step back and relax in relative comfort.

Been A Very Iinteresting Journey

I hope some of you enjoyed following along with the design and development of the
EE-TFG (and related subjects) as much as I did presenting them from the initial conceptual
idea through to the final analysis.

It's been an extremely interesting journey over the last several years; and very rewarding
in a multitude of technical study, analysis and other ways.

How It All Came About

The negotiation was an amazingly simple process; initial phone conversation; a few brief
conferences; and, after a "meeting of the minds on many common goals;" following a
somewhat detailed technical demonstrations; a rather lengthly engineering and contractual
meeting; and the detailed written offer, via courier, (it even shocked my attorney); it's done!

Although not sure, initially, what exactly the best course might have been for further
development and implementation of the EE_TFG; after reviewing everything, especially
the numbers (significant, ++), the decision became crystal clear...
  [I'm still a bit shakey at the magnitude of it all, actually!]

Take care and good luck chasing your dreams... It can, and will, happen!

Best regards,

SL (Solarlab - SAEC)

@solarlab,

And I wish you the best of luck!

Hope everything comes up as you expect, sincerely!

Take care

Ufopolitics 

Interesting development. Time will tell us if and how will evolve ... or if anyone will hear anything about this ever.

Would be nice to see a statement on this forum and similar, where any disclosure or suggestion will belong exclusive to open source as general knowledge for anyone free to use for any purpose. If an inventor want to disclose anything should be made aware that everything will be made open source, provided that full explanation and or method for ideas and suggestions added, they won't and can't form a part of any patent application.

At least this is how I can see some protection for open source community against such individuals.

Quote from: Classic on Apr 18, 2024, 05:57 PMWould be nice to see a statement on this forum and similar, where any disclosure or suggestion will belong exclusive to open source as general knowledge for anyone free to use for any purpose. If an inventor want to disclose anything should be made aware that everything will be made open source, provided that full explanation and or method for ideas and suggestions added, they won't and can't form a part of any patent application.

At least this is how I can see some protection for open source community against such individuals.

Hello Classic,

Well, a Legal Disclaimer can be written here anytime ...unfortunately, that will not guarantee absolutely nothing in reality.

However, all of the original disclosure that was made on this Forum, will have a "Time Stamp"...which is within the Software Matrix, and not even me can change/alter the dates on posts or topics to make them go back in time...any expert on this matter knows that.

Alone with all the contributions made from members...same way takes place whenever we upload a Video on YouTube, about a replication of that idea...it is Time Stamped by YouTube Matrix and can NOT be changed either.

All this is proof of a "History and Evolution" of an Open Sourced Idea, as all the implements and betterments done over time by each participating and contributing member...

All of this material can be saved, compressed and put on a memory stick...or simply a direct link to the Topic would work as well.

It can be used as proof that individual freely disclosed his ideas in an Open Forum. So, even after Patent is granted, it took place AFTER the Disclosure on the Topic was started and ended.

Everything related to Patent Applications & Granting, depends upon "time"...when it was granted and when it was disclosed...

Point is that the Individual or Assignee after getting the Patent cannot come back and sue Forum, because we are using/building his/her ideas that were patented...

Patent Granting, came AFTER Idea was Disclosed on Open Source Forum.

Ufopolitics

Hello everyone

It's annoying to see this person arguing about patents on every forum every day.

This poor guy saw that his topic had low attention and no one responded, so he made this statement to increase attention.

The fundamental reason why he repeatedly makes false statements is that he lacks the ability to implement his own design and wants to find a free engineer to help him with experiments.
On this point, Beyond Unity's Fighter views are the same as ufopolitics.
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/holcomb-energy-systems/?p=2 (https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/holcomb-energy-systems/?p=2)
He is disliked by all forums for a reason. He doesn't know anything, he only knows how to simulate with computer games, and even looks at his design to wonder if he can really distinguish the positive and negative poles of a multimeter.

The administrators of the forum should also be responsible. Even if you know he is a scammer, don't prohibit him and let him continue to deceive more people. We also created a thread specifically to increase his attention and attract more people to be scammed. Surprisingly, another company contacted him. It is estimated that the CEO of that company is an idiot who invests when he sees an idea. But we know this is just another attempt by him to bluff.

Friends!

Firstly, what is "deception" - it is the deliberate false provision of information for some purpose. If a person believes what he declares and it is not the truth, he is classified as "self-deception." Many people can believe what the self-deceived person declares. This is called collective self-deception. Here everyone has a choice to believe, not to believe or check, to deceive themselves or to study, check, etc. Everyone is deceived solely voluntarily, at their own request.

A patent application can be submitted for an idea for a device, or for a utility model that actually works. For reference, look up Tesla's patents for the actual model. Also, a patent cannot prohibit modifying the technology. The changes made are already a different device. Now about the system, if you want to play by the rules of the system, you are forced to go through the process of patenting, then certification, licensing. Takes care of protecting your intellectual investments and so on and so forth. There are others in the system who, by all rights, will take everything from you. There are many options.

The main thing for personal use for us/you is patent law "to the point" until you want to start a business on it. Business lives by the rules of the system.




 

Quote from: RhineX on Apr 19, 2024, 12:01 AMHello everyone
It's annoying to see this person arguing about patents on every forum every day.
This poor guy saw that his topic had low attention and no one responded, so he made this statement to increase attention.
The fundamental reason why he repeatedly makes false statements is that he lacks the ability to implement his own design and wants to find a free engineer to help him with experiments.
On this point, Beyond Unity's Fighter views are the same as ufopolitics.
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/holcomb-energy-systems/?p=2 (https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/holcomb-energy-systems/?p=2)
He is disliked by all forums for a reason. He doesn't know anything, he only knows how to simulate with computer games, and even looks at his design to wonder if he can really distinguish the positive and negative poles of a multimeter.
The administrators of the forum should also be responsible. Even if you know he is a scammer, don't prohibit him and let him continue to deceive more people. We also created a thread specifically to increase his attention and attract more people to be scammed. Surprisingly, another company contacted him. It is estimated that the CEO of that company is an idiot who invests when he sees an idea. But we know this is just another attempt by him to bluff.

Hi all,

I agree with you RhineX,

Also at the moment this guy spoke about "patent" on an open source forum, He made it crystal clear that He is not on the "right side", Ufopolitics saw it, and we all saw it, so my question is : why is still allowed to be here ? Is in total opposition with the fundamentals of this forum and the general idea of open source concept, we are not here for money our goal is much greater than this. In my opinion, He should be blocked, for the reasons that RhineX exposed about the scam obvious possibility on more naive members, and for the fact that He do not aline with the general mentality.

Ufopolitics, you clearly have a patience I do not have, that honors you and I should learn from you on this topic too I guess but that guy is in total opposition with all of us (all of us with the mentality of open source, meaning this is far behond the limit's of this forum). For the story I own a successful business with dozens of employees in my daily life, I also run a space with 16K members so far on an other topic and what I've learned is : "one rotten fruit can contaminate the entire basket".

Best Regards to all,

FreeMind

From my perspective it is an outrageous behaviour where someone with an idea for a patent join an open source forum to present something that will be patented later. It is like any inventor seeking a patent application is coming here to deny us all to research or exploit  a certain phenomena or method. It is simply insulting ... this is all about.

It is like anyone comes here to say do not do it ! We will seek to stop you whatever you want to try even if we don't understand yet what you are showing/doing. And more that this, such behaviour is purposefully entertained to stop any possible collaboration in this type of community. As for the moment I don't feel comfortable to disclose anything more than I already did because such unscrupulous individuals with obscure interests may hinder any possible invention open source and or methods and or collaboration.

This is simply an abuse and should stop immediately ! 

Hello to All

Guys, please relax...and be patient, without "patience" you would never be able to build and test many different setups, and even if they fail, you still keep trying...thanks to what?

To "patience"...

In Open Forums, there are always going to be exposure that ideas and setups disclosed would be stolen for Patent Applications. It is a fact; it has always been.

We are here exposing -freely- possible ideas to be reproduced by many out there...and yes, even those that we do not see, simply because they act in "total silence"...and probably are not even members...where we have no control over, and can never get to know what their intentions are...

It comes with the territory people!!...it is part of Free Exposure...Open-Source Forums.

Now, once we identify someone purposes about patenting an "idea", like it is stated on SL first Post...then it is entirely UP TO US, to cooperate or not, to spend money in something that has only being proven in simulations...then that is completely up to that individual to do whatever he/she chooses to do with his/her time and money.

That is all we can do.

I am trying to keep this Forum as close to how a Real Democracy works...where all have the right to freely expose their ideas and opinions in the open, for all to learn or build it (if they want to)

Therefore, -at this point in time- I am not planning to ban anyone, restrict a Topic, much less to delete it, basically, when it has so much info that would serve as proof that it was disclosed here with a Time Stamp.

Plus, the fact that many members here have already contributed with their opinions, counseling or exchange of info.

Regards to all

Ufopolitics 

Ok, and Further on...

Like I said prior, "The Burden of Proof, lies on the Claimant".

It means that if you disclose an idea, plus claim it "should" work as claimed (in this case "Excess of Energy") then you must "PRODUCE" the PROOF (or EVIDENCE it works as claimed).

And that is the way Courts RULE in our entire World...for ANY CASE, whether being a Legal case, or simply like our case here related to Open Source versus Patenting.

However, that is a double edge sword...it could be used both ways, for the "Defendant" or the "Plaintiff".

It means that if you proved your idea to work as you have claimed...then another person (member) defies your testing as being wrong, on whatever basis, could be wrong measurements, etc.

And that "automatically" sets the "Burden of Proof" on the other side claiming your idea is not well tested. So, further on, that person MUST build your setup, then test it according to his/her method, to prove it is wrong.

If that person does not "comply" with this procedure, does not produce any EVIDENCE AGAINST your previously shown positive results...his/her claims are not valid, worthless and just "words" that the wind will blow...AND your proven idea prevails.

Regards

Ufopolitics