Hello to All,
First, many thanks to Member from France
@bigeasy for first bringing this Image of the Daza Generator.
This Topic is dedicated to keep searching to see if anyone can find the Patent Details, description, etc...
Plus all Discussions about it...
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Hola a todos nuestros Miembros,
en especial dedicado a los que están localizados en España,Ha encontrado
@bigeasy de Francia una Patente Española, registrada en 1882, sobre un Generador Eléctrico que aparentemente tampoco necesita de ninguna fuerza motriz para su operación...pero es sólo un Diagrama.
El Inventor fué el Ingeniero Manuel Daza y Gomez, también creador de varias otras patentes hasta los años 1914 (fallece en 1915)
Las-patentes-de-invencion-de-Manuel-Daza.pdf (museoarqueologicodeyecla.org) (https://museoarqueologicodeyecla.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Las-patentes-de-invencion-de-Manuel-Daza.pdf)
Pero la información encontrada en varias fuentes, es limitada a descripciones generales.
Pudiésemos escribirle ó tratar de contactarlos directamente a la Oficina Española de Patentes y Marcas (OEPM) ya que han realizado un excelente trabajo en Digitalizar Patentes Españolas desde 1826 a 1939.
https://www.oepm.es/export/sites/portal/comun/documentos_relacionados/Ponencias/109_02_Conferencia_Leonardo_Torres_Quevedo_24_nov_2016.pdf
Creo que sería sencillo hacerlo en línea, si tuviésemos el enlace directo a búsqueda digital por año, y nombre de el inventor...
Les agradeceré eternamente toda colaboración que pudiesen aportar!!
Muchas gracias
Ufopolitics
Hello everyone and special thanks to bigeasy's contribution.
Obviously the information is incomplete, but I think you can deduce how it works from the drawing. The control unit has some resemblance to a Ruhmkorff coil. Supposedly it would work by pulses.
If we use Adobe Photoshop we can eliminate the color information and increase the contrast, so it looks better.
The coils (R). They are the induced ones in charge of collecting the result and the unnamed coils seem to be fixed electromagnets powered continuously by the battery and cables (Z). outputs for consumption. I still have to investigate a little more but for now this is what I have seen.
hidrógeno.
Quote from: hidrogeno on Feb 17, 2024, 02:56 PMHello everyone and special thanks to bigeasy's contribution.
Obviously the information is incomplete, but I think you can deduce how it works from the drawing. The control unit has some resemblance to a Ruhmkorff coil. Supposedly it would work by pulses.
If we use Adobe Photoshop we can eliminate the color information and increase the contrast, so it looks better.
The coils (R). They are the induced ones in charge of collecting the result and the unnamed coils seem to be fixed electromagnets powered continuously by the battery and cables (Z). outputs for consumption.
I still have to investigate a little more but for now this is what I have seen.
hidrógeno.
Hello Hidrógeno,
I am sorry, but you are starting the wrong way...
Coils "R" stands for "REACTOR" or INDUCTOR...they connect to controller...They Induce the Induced...
Output are the coils in between, connected on the interior with short metal bars and bolts, and having two END terminals "N" & "L" (Neutral and Line) (AC) also on the Interior of Toroid Rings.
Batteries are connected to the Controller...Controller is connected to R Coils...
Cheers
Ufopolitics
hello ufo,
You're right, I was wrong.
hidrógeno.
Great explanation Ufo.
I think this setup is even easier than Figuera and I think I have an idea of working mechanism.
Controler looks similar with what we call now DPDT electromechanical switch. All "R" coils in parallel means all 15 will have a total resistance of a little bit more than 1 coil, while all other coils are in series, means resistance times 15 assuming all 30 coils are identical. So there is magnetic amplification by modulating saturation of magnetic field. When resistance is switched high/low, inductance is affected.
So, all non marked coils from left will induce a current in all R from right, which in turn will induce a current in all non marked coils right which will induce a current i all R from left. Batteries are necessary for start the system only.
Note: there is a single point of connection on side view from the battery bank to the left side. Also note how they are wired and winded in detail from side view.
Switching is for batteries and batteries + coils, current flow in the system all time.
There are 2 infinity loops.
System is fantastic similar with Daniel Macfarland Cook and employs a switch to permit shorter wire length for coils and much lower frequency. (See Daniel Cook patent for explanation).
At least this is what I can see in this drawing
All "R" coils in parallel means all 15 will have a total resistance of a little bit more than 1 coil
Hello Classic, Thank you for your contribution.
I would like to point out that 15 coils in parallel will have 1/15 the resistance (and, consequently, 15 times the amperage draw) of one single coil.
So, for example, I picked these numbers out of the air, they are not from the patent illustration, if one coil draws 0.25 amps at 4 volts, then 15 identical coils in parallel (15 coils x 0.25 amps = 3.75 amps) will draw 3.75 amps at 4 volts.
If these 15 coils were connected in series and operated at the same power level as before then (15 coils x 4 volts= 60 volts) 60 volts would be applied and the circuit would draw 0.25 amps.
These coils in my example are 16 ohms. R = E/I 16 ohms = 4 volts/0.25 amps. 16 ohms/ 15 coils = 1.067 ohms for all 15 coils in parallel.
RichardG
Yes, you are pretty close ... i have calculated 1 ohm total resistance in parallel.
https://youtu.be/qAMIyuUYEi0?si=rmaOXDE5SAKj4ETd How to calculate resistance in parallel
Now compare total resistance in series where you have the sum of 15 coils and you can understand how inductance is affected by impedance when relay switch between battery and battery +coils, making possible to fluctuate the magnetic field at every switch.
Anyway, explore this channel as you may find a lot of interesting things there.
But, you need to observe gain mechanism in Daniel Cook patent, then it will be much easier to see the same pattern in many inventions ... and this is just one method, there are many more to be understood.
In Daza patent we can see the same gain mechanism like Figuera but rotary switch is replaced with an old version of what we call now a relay Double Pole Double Throw ... and the beauty is we can have a solid state relay DPDT for under £1 off the shelf. As long as you understand what you need to do.
As long as we switch series/parallel L or RL circuits where resonance is tuned it will be overunity. If LC or RLC resonant is used they should be self resonant and only a kick start is necessary.
I have yet to discover how to use permanent magnets in this type of setups as Daniel Cook said in his patent.
There is something that I need to mention: all inventors that had a patent for such things have lost almost everything, but have gained everything else and their inventions are yet to be rediscovered all over again ... so, move slowly around with piano on the way downstairs.
Quote from: Classic on Feb 18, 2024, 08:35 PMYes, you are pretty close ... i have calculated 1 ohm total resistance in parallel.
https://youtu.be/qAMIyuUYEi0?si=rmaOXDE5SAKj4ETd How to calculate resistance in parallel
Now compare total resistance in series where you have the sum of 15 coils and you can understand how inductance is affected by impedance when relay switch between battery and battery +coils, making possible to fluctuate the magnetic field at every switch.
Anyway, explore this channel as you may find a lot of interesting things there.
But, you need to observe gain mechanism in Daniel Cook patent, then it will be much easier to see the same pattern in many inventions ... and this is just one method, there are many more to be understood.
In Daza patent we can see the same gain mechanism like Figuera but rotary switch is replaced with an old version of what we call now a relay Double Pole Double Throw ... and the beauty is we can have a solid state relay DPDT for under £1 off the shelf. As long as you understand what you need to do.
As long as we switch series/parallel L or RL circuits where resonance is tuned it will be overunity. If LC or RLC resonant is used they should be self resonant and only a kick start is necessary.
I have yet to discover how to use permanent magnets in this type of setups as Daniel Cook said in his patent.
There is something that I need to mention: all inventors that had a patent for such things have lost almost everything, but have gained everything else and their inventions are yet to be rediscovered all over again ... so, move slowly around with piano on the way downstairs.
Classic,
i'm sorry but you keep making statements that just don't make sense. I have high-lighted a couple of them. Inductance is NOT affected by impedance. Impedance is the result of inductance versus frequency. For a given inductance, as the frequency goes up the impedance goes up. So inductance and frequency affect impedance, not the other way round.
Do you have any creditable sources to back up your claim that switching tuned series/parallel L or RL circuits with resonance will be overunity? Those type of circuits get switched millions of times every day in industrial machines and I have never seen one of them go into OU.
I want to congratulate on your enthusiasm for electronics but please take some good online classes for electronics. Learning from YouTube videos will only get you confused.
Respectfully,
Carroll
@citfta, with all due respects, i am not going to answer direct to your question, but instead I am asking you what can we observe when 2 resonant RLC circuits interact and one of them will have resistance switched from lower to higher than back from higher to lower at any frequency ?
We can asume that there is no real LC circuit as they will always have some resistance. And also observe that at resonance XL and XC cancel each other leaving only ohmic resistance in the equation.
Now the question is how can we fluctuate magnetic field without a physical movement ? What a physical movement is really doing and why we need considerable effort if high power is desired output ?
Also, we may observe that all ou systems employs a variable resistance at determined frequency, it doesn't matter if it is Figuera, Daza, Cook, Don Smith, Kapanadze, DeGeus, they all exploit the same principle of 2 currents running against each other in very close proximity and one of them is always with smaller or higher amperage (time delay, phase delay, or however you want to call it).
Easiest way is to play with resistance to influence inductance instead of mechanical movement energy input.
Mechanical force is equal with magnetic force, magnetic force depends on resistance (increase/decrease amperage - time delay ).
Imagine a big river and installed hydroelectric plant on it. The dam (resistance) create a way to manage the flow of river, but on its own won't have too many benefits without a accumulation lake (capacitor) in order to regulate the flow. So, what these 2 components do ? They deliver a certain power to the turbine (transformer). Adjusting power delivered to a balanced system enable to transform mechanical power in electrical power in efficient manner.
I know that all electrical engineering standard do not agree with resistance=influence of inductance and of course is not a direct link. Omitting to observe this particular effect with indirect action is what hold back many to understand overunity and many only look at electrical flow without conjugate with magnetic flow. Also, we need to sources (references) for each end of the gradient. Grounding (earth grounding or air grounding) must be considered on case by case application, this is where tuning need to be done for each entry point in the system, where a simulated potential difference (battery, power grid etc) is used.
Perpetual motion in nature/universe exist and we need not to try to stop it.
Consider a permanent magnet as best example of perpetual motion, where continuous motion of charge takes place inside and will continue for as long as we do not disrupt it with mechanical shock or heat treatment.
Any permanent magnet consist of 3 elements, storage of charge (iron) high conductive material (lets say copper) and high resistance material (lets say nickel). What they do ? As long as we do not introduce a charge nothing is happening, but when a charge is applied, the charge will try to evade the system using high conductive material and high resistive material will prevent escaping. So, when another ferro material is approached the charge naturally will flow into this new storage of charge transferring only the charge effect as the high resistive material will prevent the flow of energy. This is why magnet will lose in time their force. Now when we look at electromagnet we can observe only 2 elements are present: storage of charge and conductive material, so no permanent storage of charge ... which in turn allow us to switch on/off or change polarity. The mass of energy is given by force of movement (magnetic field) which in turn is highly affected by resistance, temporary resistance.
Also, permanent magnet can be used to accelerate charge flow (i am avoiding to say electron flow) as very well explained in Arie DeGeus patent for cyclotron if it is placed exactly at 1/2 of wavelength of wire length.
Also, 2 capacitors in series will do a phase inversion when they are placed at multiple of 1/2 wave length and will double the frequency. So, this means physically they will be 2 series LC circuits with opposing flow against each other and depending on which effect is desired they can be bifilar or bucking coils. Please observe magnetic flux in each case where north to north or south to south is achieved by winding and polarity feed.
What is a traditional magnetic amplifier ? How is working and why ? What is the difference between an iron core stepup/stepdown transformer and a magnetic amplifier ? What role plays isolation between 2 windings and modulation through resistance in a mag amp ?
Quote from: Classic on Feb 19, 2024, 08:14 AM@citfta, with all due respects, i am not going to answer direct to your question, but instead I am asking you what can we observe when 2 resonant RLC circuits interact and one of them will have resistance switched from lower to higher than back from higher to lower at any frequency ?
We can asume that there is no real LC circuit as they will always have some resistance. And also observe that at resonance XL and XC cancel each other leaving only ohmic resistance in the equation.
Now the question is how can we fluctuate magnetic field without a physical movement ? What a physical movement is really doing and why we need considerable effort if high power is desired output ?
Also, we may observe that all ou systems employs a variable resistance at determined frequency, it doesn't matter if it is Figuera, Daza, Cook, Don Smith, Kapanadze, DeGeus, they all exploit the same principle of 2 currents running against each other in very close proximity and one of them is always with smaller or higher amperage (time delay, phase delay, or however you want to call it).
Easiest way is to play with resistance to influence inductance instead of mechanical movement energy input.
Mechanical force is equal with magnetic force, magnetic force depends on resistance (increase/decrease amperage - time delay ).
Imagine a big river and installed hydroelectric plant on it. The dam (resistance) create a way to manage the flow of river, but on its own won't have too many benefits without a accumulation lake (capacitor) in order to regulate the flow. So, what these 2 components do ? They deliver a certain power to the turbine (transformer). Adjusting power delivered to a balanced system enable to transform mechanical power in electrical power in efficient manner.
I know that all electrical engineering standard do not agree with resistance=influence of inductance and of course is not a direct link. Omitting to observe this particular effect with indirect action is what hold back many to understand overunity and many only look at electrical flow without conjugate with magnetic flow.
What is a traditional magnetic amplifier ? How is working and why ? What is the difference between an iron core stepup/stepdown transformer and a magnetic amplifier ? What role plays isolation between 2 windings and modulation through resistance in a mag amp ?
Classic,
Your obsession with resistance is confusing you. As Ufo has correctly figured out after many years of research, the figuera device works by changing inductance to simulate a moving magnetic field. There are NO resistors involved.
I have again high-lighted another one of your areas of confusion. There are no resistors involved in a magnetic amplifier. Several years ago I worked on many of them. They work by using a small current to control the saturation of the core of the mag-amp. This in turn controls the amount of current that can flow through the mag-amp. A mag-amp uses a small current to control a large current. What so many on youtube and forums like this don't understand is that something else supplies the large current. Just like a pump supplies your water source and your faucet allows you to control the flow. A mag-amp is NOT an OU device. A vaccum tube works the same way. A small voltage on the grid of the tube controls the larger voltage across the cathode to the anode. But the larger voltage is supplied by something else. A transistor uses a small current to control a larger current but again the larger current has to be supplied by something else. NONE of these devices in themselves are OU.
Carroll
Well, I am not confused at all, but it seems that I am failing to explain ???
Please have a look at Daniel Cook patent and try to understand description of gain mechanism and see why greater results are obtained with different resistance of coils and why in 2 pairs of coils we have 8 currents flowing and which one is affected by resistance difference.
Probably there is a better explanation than what I am able to explain.
Also, observe the system works with identical coils as well, compound or separate at lower output.
All curent standards and scientific explanations are somehow wrong and we use in a wrong way electrical power, in a very specific way to keep us all tied to the grid which all is doing is providing the excitation and nothing else.
If we amplify this excitation from a different source at much lower power we can have the same energy available and we don't need a grid at all. Manipulation of magnetic field is what produce electrical power, and magnetic field can be manipulated with resistance easier to replace the need for mechanical input force.
Quote from: Classic on Feb 19, 2024, 09:16 AMWell, I am not confused at all, but it seems that I am failing to explain ???
Please have a look at Daniel Cook patent and try to understand description of gain mechanism and see why greater results are obtained with different resistance of coils and why in 2 pairs of coils we have 8 currents flowing and which one is affected by resistance difference.
Probably there is a better explanation than what I am able to explain.
Also, observe the system works with identical coils as well, compound or separate at lower output.
All curent standards and scientific explanations are somehow wrong and we use in a wrong way electrical power, in a very specific way to keep us all tied to the grid which all is doing is providing the excitation and nothing else.
If we amplify this excitation from a different source at much lower power we can have the same energy available and we don't need a grid at all. Manipulation of magnetic field is what produce electrical power, and magnetic field can be manipulated with resistance easier to replace the need for mechanical input force.
Hello Classic,
And you have said it perfectly well, on your first above paragraph, that I am quoting below:
Quote from: Classic on Feb 19, 2024, 09:16 AMPlease have a look at Daniel Cook patent and try to understand description of gain mechanism and see why greater results are obtained with different resistance of coils and why in 2 pairs of coils we have 8 currents flowing and which one is affected by resistance difference.
That was exactly the same confusion that led not to clearly understand Figuera, then NOT to reproduce it properly!!
It is related to "
Coils Resistance"...it was NOT referring to a simple, common, carbon or any other means, materials resistance!!
Problem is that "Coil Resistance" ALSO HAVE another Component NOT mentioned in ANY Patents...Inductance.
And Inductance comes "by default" with ANY EXSITING COIL.
Plus -and this is the most important part- A Coil always carry a Magnetic Field, whenever we power them.
So, it has been a terrible, huge mistake, that have set us all back into Figuera development, to simply think that He meant "A Plain and common Resistor"
When He really meant "Resistance Spirals" or Coils resistance.
Yes, Coils have resistance, BUT, that ALONE, is NOT the ONLY parameter/component which regulates the MAGNETIC FIELD...Not at all!!
Indirectly, resistance on a Coil will bring Currents up or down...yes, BUT, if you do not consider Inductance, as an opposite parameter to resistance...then you will NEVER reach the right formula.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hello again,
Further on...whenever we try to Calculate the right Resonance point or range, in any plain LC Circuit...
What does the Formula requires?
Does it requires Resistance?...answer: NO!!
It requires bold and plain: INDUCTANCE of the Coil, in Henries, Milli Henries or Microhenries...
Ohms is completely out of that Formula...
EXCEPT when we are looking for an LRC Circuit...where resistors are included into the circuit. BUT, NOT referring to "Coil Resistance" at all.
BUT, in any plain, simple, Inductor and Capacitor (TANK CIRCUIT) Formula, ONLY Inductance and Capacitance are required to find your Frequency to the resonance point.
Ufopolitics
Many thanks Ufopolitics, you have a better way to explain.
I never said we do not consider inductance, all i said is we can manipulate inductance with resistance.
If anyone bother to read how simple is radiant energy apparatus for utilising radiant energy of N Tesla, can conclude the difference between many inventions consist basically in choice of the source, which can be an artificial source in many cases like a battery and a ground as gradient different potential, or any gradient you may think of as long as you can find the right solution the exploit the gradient.
If an artificial source (see fig 4 in radiant energy Tesla) is used, the excitation is provided and modulated and the opposite sign is provided by the ground or battery. An av plug with diodes uses electric gradient made by antenna and ground, if inductance is added electrical power output is increased.
All this inventions refers to radiant energy but employs different methods.
I know some of you will ask if an antenna is not present nor a ground connection as in Daniel Cook patent, why they work ? They work because there is an infinity loop and switching between 2 coils, where one with less/more resistance it will transform them instantly in a an elevated plate versus grounded plate and switching them by letting the charge flow in gradient with an initial impulse is what makes all the difference between releasing energy and consuming energy. Consuming electrical energy is when we connect the end points of gradient, whatever gradient is used and using the byproduct for our benefit.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on Feb 19, 2024, 09:55 AMHello again,
Further on...whenever we try to Calculate the right Resonance point or range, in any plain LC Circuit...
What does the Formula requires?
Does it requires Resistance?...answer: NO!!
It requires bold and plain: INDUCTANCE of the Coil, in Henries, Milli Henries or Microhenries...
Ohms is completely out of that Formula...
EXCEPT when we are looking for an LRC Circuit...where resistors are included into the circuit. BUT, NOT referring to "Coil Resistance" at all.
BUT, in any plain, simple, Inductor and Capacitor (TANK CIRCUIT) Formula, ONLY Inductance and Capacitance are required to find your Frequency to the resonance point.
Ufopolitics
Yes ! But in reality there is no such thing like LC circuit this is against the nature itself.
Any LC circuit will have resistance, i mean natural resistance from materials used and needs to be taken in account, ignoring it is wrong. Using it will give you the mean of manipulating magnetic field.
And in Daza patent the resistance is the gradient exploited by series-parallel connection of coils. Natural to artificial increased and back, switching with the help of relay.
QuoteIf one has input voltages at higher frequencies or could have there is therefore the possibility to
generate free electric power , and at any scale level . It is possible by properly choosing the length
of the wires , inductances and capacities with respect to the input frequency with a simple circuit ,
as described above,to bring frequencies at a high level with very low losses, in which case a number
of these circuits must be drawn up . as a " cascade "
Quote from Arie DeGeus NL1032750 patent.
Think of series - parallel connection between set of coils like I said in resonance thread. Series coils is the magnitude ( voltage increase) which will hit to resonate the parallel set of coils, so a little effort is needed. By switching the input from left to right in this patent arrangement we hit the parallel set of coils in turns inducing an AC amplified in respect with the input.
So, the way to increase output is voltage input or voltage amplify ( number of coils in series or number of turns) and/or frequency of applied force where the driving force is voltage.
Quote from: Classic on Feb 19, 2024, 10:12 AMMany thanks Ufopolitics, you have a better way to explain.
I never said we do not consider inductance, all i said is we can manipulate inductance with resistance.[..]
You are welcome Classic,
Now, on the case of Figuera, Daza, and Cook...we do the opposite...
we use Inductance as our MAIN Parameter, and we manipulate Inductance with other parameters as: resistance, plus number of turns, plus gauge of wires, Geometry of Coils, etc...
For example: If we can keep our Currents -at least- EQUAL (meaning resistance equal, as well) during our Coils Sequencing, or any Coils manipulation in any sense...which generates an EQUAL, but Displacing, Moving, Magnetic Field...we will have a perfect Figuera right now!!
But that is NOT so simple to achieve, almost "impossible", simply because of Resistance is on the way!!
In a rotary generator, single phase, plain house generator, the Exciter Field, mounted on Rotor...ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME RESISTANCE, the same Field Strength, the same Inductance, during ALL the time it is operating.
This fact also applies to a Car Alternator...
So, forget about "reducing or adding resistance" while advancing/moving a Field...without rotation...JUST keeping it EQUAL, during the process, is perfectly enough!!I have tried so many different ways to achieve this...like adding switching Field Coils into a segment design, that plays-connects with the switched coils segments as well...in a reduction-gain, then gain-reduction way...ALL to keep Inductance/Resistance equal during operation...
And I know perfectly well we will reach that point...but that is the perfect way to do it.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Best example that came to my mind is your video where you show how you powered a rewired a huge motor to work with a single aa battery.
If you have devised a method to harness 1.5 volts with little amps you could power that motor forever, for example with just 2 ground connections or any similar method. That was exactly what Tesla have described in his patent for using radiant energy and I am extremely surprised yet of why you didn't explore further.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MKJ6giEk1Bg1t9t5A
Hola a todos
Ufo, mi amigo Vortios se ha registrado ahora, ha estudiado durante un tiempo a Daza Gómez, no puede escribir porque todavía no está autorizado, es un buen constructor y estudioso de las patentes españolas sobre todo de Figuera... te ruego si lo ves conveniente que lo autorices.
gracias
Quote from: hipermotor on Feb 19, 2024, 11:16 AMHola a todos
Ufo, mi amigo Vortios se ha registrado ahora, ha estudiado durante un tiempo a Daza Gómez, no puede escribir porque todavía no está autorizado, es un buen constructor y estudioso de las patentes españolas sobre todo de Figuera... te ruego si lo ves conveniente que lo autorices.
gracias
Hola Hipermotor,
Está hecho, Vortios está adentro.
Ufopolitics
Hola
Gracias
Hello to All,
I recently found out... (thanks to Members: Skybiker, GreggGKP, Giorgio78) based on all info they sent me...(I am still not done "processing it" all)
But basically, that Daza Generator uses Permanent Magnets in between Coils, as I also believe He wraps each magnet in copper wire...All this is done to "neutralize" or cancel permanent magnetic forces, by switching coils that carry the opposed polarity to magnets...
Here is a better resolution image:
plano_01.jpg
Regards to All
Ufopolitics
Hola a todos. Iba a subir un enlace con fotos del generador de Daza, veo que ya está subido por Skybiker.
Si tenéis alguna pregunta os digo lo que conozco del asunto. Pero digo... leyendo la transcripción a lápiz de las fotos, se entiende bien la máquina estática, generador Daza.
Mi carpeta de fotos de Google Fotos:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MKJ6giEk1Bg1t9t5A
Básicamente se juega con imanes permanentes bobinados, cuyo flujo magnético constante atraviesa una serie de bobinas inducidas ó electroimanes de salida. Se van alternando imanes bobinados y electroimanes, hasta formar un toroide. Cuando excitamos las bobinas que arrollan los imanes permanentes, cancelamos el flujo de los imanes, y como consecuencia, se varía el flujo magnético que atraviesa los electroimanes. Se genera una CA en la salida, y un rectificador ó enderezador de corrientes mecánico, rectifica la CA y la convierte en CC.
Pasaré un libro técnico al que hace referencia el autor (Manuel Daza), un libro de John Tyndall.
Hola, paso un libro antiguo: "Teoría y Fenómenos de la Electricidad", nombrado por Don Manuel Daza Gómez en su patente del generador estático Daza de este foro. Escrito por John Tyndall en 1870.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pihnusLL-2ojbvskSa4NkFkeB8gvrpdp/view?usp=drive_link
Saludos cordiales.
Quote from: Vortios on Feb 19, 2024, 11:41 AMHola a todos. Iba a subir un enlace con fotos del generador de Daza, veo que ya está subido por Skybiker.
Si tenéis alguna pregunta os digo lo que conozco del asunto. Pero digo... leyendo la transcripción a lápiz de las fotos, se entiende bien la máquina estática, generador Daza.
Mi carpeta de fotos de Google Fotos:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MKJ6giEk1Bg1t9t5A
Básicamente se juega con imanes permanentes bobinados, cuyo flujo magnético constante atraviesa una serie de bobinas inducidas ó electroimanes de salida. Se van alternando imanes bobinados y electroimanes, hasta formar un toroide. Cuando excitamos las bobinas que arrollan los imanes permanentes, cancelamos el flujo de los imanes, y como consecuencia, se varía el flujo magnético que atraviesa los electroimanes. Se genera una CA en la salida, y un rectificador ó enderezador de corrientes mecánico, rectifica la CA y la convierte en CC.
Pasaré un libro técnico al que hace referencia el autor (Manuel Daza), un libro de Jhon Tindall.
I have translated post above:
Hello to All,
I was going to upload the link with the photos, but I see that it is already up by Skybiker.
If you have any questions, I will tell you what I know about this, But I say, reading the hand written description on pencil, you can clearly understand the static machine, Daza generator.
Basically, it is about permanent magnets wrapped in a coil, this magnetic flux go through a series of induced coils or Output Electromagnets, so there are alternated wound magnets with electromagnets, until a Toroid is formed.
Whenever we excite the coils that are wound on permanent magnets, we cancel its magnetic flux, therefore, we vary the flux that go through electro-magnets. And an AC is generated on Output, and a rectifier or a "mechanical currents straightener", rectifies the AC and converts it to DC.
I will pass later a technical book, on which is referenced the author (Daza), a book by John Tindall.
Thank You Vortios!!/Gracias Vortios!!
And WELCOME to our Forum!!/Y BIENVENIDO a nuestro Foro!!
Ufopolitics
Muchas gracias por la acogida Ufo, gracias hombre.
@Vortios En otras palabras, esta máquina lo que hace es "cancelar y admitir" las fuerzas magnéticas de los imanes?
Pero las Bobinas de los Electroimanes no se activan para crear un campo magnético inductor, sino sólo para cancelar el flujo permanente de los imanes?
Si es así, entonces podemos decir que la máxima potencia de este generador, depende de la Fuerza Magnética de sus Imanes, correcto?
En aquella época no existían los imanes de Neodimio, sólo había de cerámica y hechos por magnetización en hierro dulce...pero, hoy en día, hacer esta máquina con Imanes de Neodimio, sería mucho más costoso (necesitaríamos mucho más amperaje y voltaje) para cancelar esas fuerzas mágneticas mayores.
Esto lo veo como una gran desventaja en su diseño, sobre Figuera...y honestamente, me ha decepcionado.
Esperaba que fuesen sólo electroimanes como Figuera.
Saludos
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on Feb 19, 2024, 12:21 PM@Vortios
En otras palabras, esta máquina lo que hace es "cancelar y admitir" las fuerzas magnéticas de los imanes?
Pero las Bobinas de los Electroimanes no se activan para crear un campo magnético inductor, sino sólo para cancelar el flujo permanente de los imanes?
Si es así, entonces podemos decir que la máxima potencia de este generador, depende de la Fuerza Magnética de sus Imanes, correcto?
En aquella época no existían los imanes de Neodimio, sólo había de cerámica y hechos por magnetización en hierro dulce...pero, hoy en día, hacer esta máquina con Imanes de Neodimio, sería mucho más costoso (necesitaríamos mucho más amperaje y voltaje) para cancelar esas fuerzas mágneticas mayores.
Esto lo veo como una gran desventaja en su diseño, sobre Figuera...y honestamente, me ha decepcionado.
Esperaba que fuesen sólo electroimanes como Figuera.
Saludos
Ufopolitics
Translation from my above post:
In other words, all this machine do, is to "cancel or allow" the permanent magnetic forces?
But, Electromagnets do not activate in order to create an Inducing Field, but just to cancel the permanent flux of the PM's?
If it is so, then this generator power, depends solely upon the Permanent Forces from its magnets, correct?
In those times Neo's Magnets were nonexistent, only ones were ceramic and magnetized iron, but nowadays to make this machine with Neo's would be more costly (as amps plus volts required to cancel its forces, would be huge) to cancel a strong grade neo.
I see this as a great disadvantage on its design over Figuera...and honestly, I am disappointed.
I was hoping to see only electromagnets, as Figuera is conceived.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Hello vortios,
welcome and thank you very much for your contributions. You are getting closer... But NO.
Greetings. hydrogen.
Hello to All,
Ok, you all can proceed with this Patent research and development for as long as you would like...
What relates to me, I have a lot of work pending to continue, basically, with all the Figuera work I am doing...and I just cannot start, at this point, a new patent to begin from scratch, its development.
A long time ago, I started at OU a similar work...but all based on electromagnets on a Toroid, a "TPU", but, I never finished it.
It could be done following the same pattern of Field movements as the Figuera have...except that in a closed steel core, the Field will keep alive longer than in a straight, linear Geometry.
So, yes, it is a promising research...and development for the future.
But not for me, at least, not now.
Regards to All
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on Feb 19, 2024, 12:21 PM@Vortios
En otras palabras, esta máquina lo que hace es "cancelar y admitir" las fuerzas magnéticas de los imanes?
Pero las Bobinas de los Electroimanes no se activan para crear un campo magnético inductor, sino sólo para cancelar el flujo permanente de los imanes?
Si es así, entonces podemos decir que la máxima potencia de este generador, depende de la Fuerza Magnética de sus Imanes, correcto?
En aquella época no existían los imanes de Neodimio, sólo había de cerámica y hechos por magnetización en hierro dulce...pero, hoy en día, hacer esta máquina con Imanes de Neodimio, sería mucho más costoso (necesitaríamos mucho más amperaje y voltaje) para cancelar esas fuerzas mágneticas mayores.
Esto lo veo como una gran desventaja en su diseño, sobre Figuera...y honestamente, me ha decepcionado.
Esperaba que fuesen sólo electroimanes como Figuera.
Saludos
Ufopolitics
Hola Ufo, pues si, así es, la técnica cancela parcial o totalmente el campo magnético de unos imanes permanentes, variando el estado magnético de los electroimanes de salida. De todas formas, esto que parece una perogrullada (simpleza), podría ser el huevo de Colón, por lo simple y tonto que parece. Con una corriente débil y muchas espiras también se consigue una buena F.M.M. (fuerza magnetomotriz), hay que probarlo.
Esta idea de generación expuesta por don Manuel Daza es una teoría patentada del autor sin aun probar en la práctica, como el mismo dice. Saludos.
Quote from: hidrogeno on Feb 19, 2024, 12:58 PMHello vortios,
welcome and thank you very much for your contributions. You are getting closer... But NO.
Greetings. hydrogen.
Hola Hidrógeno, estoy más cerca de la perdición, jejeje. O sea, más perdido que el barco del arroz (refranero español), o sea muy perdido.
Hello Hydrogen, I am closer to perdition, hehehe. In other words, more lost than the rice boat (Spanish proverb), that is, very lost.
Quote from: Vortios on Feb 19, 2024, 11:53 AMHola, paso un libro antiguo: "Teoría y Fenómenos de la Electricidad", nombrado por Don Manuel Daza Gómez en su patente del generador estático Daza de este foro. Escrito por John Tyndall en 1870.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pihnusLL-2ojbvskSa4NkFkeB8gvrpdp/view?usp=drive_link
Saludos cordiales.
Hola, en la página 102 de este libro antiguo de John Tyndalll, dice lo siguiente y es repetido por don Manuel Daza dentro de su patente del generador estático Daza:
291. Cualquier cambio en el estado magnético del espacio próximo á una espiral secundaria ó dentro de ella, produce una corriente inducida en el alambre. Si el cambio es un aumento de magnetismo, la corriente lleva una dirección; si es una disminución, la corriente lleva la dirección opuesta.
1 month old uploaded...
Regards
There is on thing that I can't understand: some people seek "free energy machines" and in their path do not follow the inventor work/discoveries but instead apply all the opposite teachings coming from mainstream science, electrical engineering etc. THAT DENY ANY POSSIBLITY OF EXISTENCE OF SUCH MACHINES ... why ?
Yes worldcup, it is true ! If you analyse many similar patents you'll find out that there is a pattern and every single such invention appear again and again after a certain period of time in a new form and the patent is never applied in real world.
Have a look how many radiant energy patents exist and how any possible way is explored and patented to leave nothing out that someone may ever benefit from it.
Hi Classic,
Actually a lot of the Scientists and Engineers I've had the opportunity of meeting, and getting to know,
do not "deny any possibility of the existance of excess energy machines." Quite the contrary.
Admittedly, they are not obsessed with the possibilities, either. For the most part they have well paying
jobs that keep them plenty busy. Their bills are paid on time and they can afford a nice vacation or
two with the wife and kids. They experience a happy and normal life for the most part as they slug along.
Having sat down with many of them, one on one, or in groups; they are all quite receptive to new and
sometimes even disruptive concepts and ideas. Most will even add their experiences and knowledge
to the discussion, if it fits.
However they hesitate to spew foolishness and nonsense - it seems to be their nature, although some
do like to speculate "outside the box" on occassion, given the chance.
But, by-and-large, most of these fellows are pragmatic and practical. So don't be too judgemental
about the group as a whole, nor judge Science and Engineering folks as the enemy - they're not.
They keep things progressing, maybe too slowly for some at times, but Progressing non the less! It
takes a lot of work and effort just to keep the wheels turning and the papers written.
Plus, it's 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration to take an idea from a simple thought or idea through
to a functional device; and sometimes a lot of money and sacrifice! Also, the outcome is unknown...
Talk is cheap so a great number of people seem to do that instead. Hey, the details ARE rather BORING!
[so is waiting around for your laminations to be delivered :) ]
Just my 2 cents worth of course...
SL
Well, dirty cops only helps to keep the crime going, should i bother what would be the equivalent for scientists ?
It is quite obvious and easy to prove what I have wrote above.
And if someone still in doubt I can reformulate: if I am sitting outside in the night in heavy rain and such an individual comes to me and tells me that actually I am on the beach midday at 40 celsius and all the wet surrounding me is because i am sweating ... i will let you imagine my answer.
So an inventor is saying they all doing wrong and he is describing where is the "misunderstanding" he draws up theory, formula for calculus and on top of that he builds a working device to prove ... than a mainstream science lover is coming to investigate, measure with same instruments like the inventor (or anyone else) did, than instead try to explain that is nothing there because he can't find out any possible cause for such unexplainable phenomena and all known theories won't help either.
But I have to be gentle not to disturb their harmony as they needs few nice holidays with family and bills paid.
This sounds like we are investigating but not really any overunitymachines. I can agree it might be quite dangerous enterprise such endeavour, but when we deny real facts, already proven and twist the truth is something else.
In the chatgpt from resonance and high frequency thread and I have tried to ask anything even most silly questions to make sure we can cover plenty of the phenomena and make easy to understand even for those not familiar at all mostly useless.
Actually despite high and mighty scientists spending billions just to find a new toy for some more fortunate people, never bother to say what is the difference between a permanent magnet and electromagnet, or explain magnetic field, or energy ... they can saying electrons flow which is ...
What the heck is an electron ? Part of an atom ? What is an atom ? A particle of matter ? What is matter ?
They are telling me that this naughty thing called electron flows from somewhere to another somewhere, really ? So, one of my old house have a lot of wires which are provided with electricity for more than 100 years the those naughty electrons didn't went anywhere and all the wires are still the same, despite copper having a lot of such things in it free to flow.
Yeah, I lack a lot of knowledge and have limited understanding of science, yet I can light an incandescent bulb without any source as defined by these mighty scientists. But i will never say the energy comes from nowhere ... because it is everywhere and I can do it in few ways.
Ok, I am somehow disrespectful with mainstream science, but in no way more disrespectful then them, but look what is happening around the world and how laughable stock has become this so called mainstream science.
Tariel Kapanadze architect, Don Smith geologist, Arie Melis DeGeus carpet manufacturer and many, many others will come in numbers that will bring to ruin whatever someone think can hold so dear.
Quote from: Classic on Feb 20, 2024, 09:06 PMThis sounds like we are investigating but not really any overunitymachines. I can agree it might be quite dangerous enterprise such endeavour, but when we deny real facts, already proven and twist the truth is something else.
Hello everyone...Hello Classic,
By reading this last post from classic...I been thinking on making a new Topic, just like we had on overunity (https://overunity.com/overunity.com)...called:
"RANT CAFE ASYLUM"
It was fun ;D ...sometimes >:( ...
So, you can go there and speak your mind freely, ranting back and forth...without disrupting other's members Topics...having your own to write there.
Or I could transfer these type of posts...instead of deleting them.
Let me say something, and I wanna be VERY CLEAR,
For those that have followed my work, not exactly from OU...but beyond, EF...since the earlier 2000, knows exactly well what is my position with Science versus Over Unity Machines.
Over my time, I have read MANY, but many books, from many famous on the Free Energy World...like Tom Bearden, John Bedini. Peter Lindemann, Eric Dollard...Ken Wheeler, etc. and a VERY LONG etcetera.
Related to "OU Inventions"...HA!!...That is EXACTLY my last name...and I probably know more about Arie De Geus than you say you do...like the pancake battery He invented...and How He died?...
You have an idea what is the Venus Shooter?...I bet you have no F. Idea...
And I could go on and on like the Energizer Bunny...but I will NOT.
I just follow and respect the great FATHERS of Science, like Faraday, Maxwell, Lenz, Ohm, Volta...etc,etc
I do not have same respect for Lorentz...though.
Related to the BASIC SCIENCE behind ANY OU Machine, is MAGNETISM...and YES, ALL knowledge about Magnetism is being deliberately set "on a standby" that have lasted more than 200 years...
All my work about Magnetism is on my YT Channel and here...
Anyways...I ended up ranting as well... ;D
So, I will see you there...at the Rant Cafe Asylum.
Or maybe not.
Ufopolitics
Well, like I said - "Talk is cheap so a great number of people seem to do that instead. Hey, the details ARE rather BORING!"
I refuse to engage in banter. It serves no "value added" IMHO. Just passing along my experiences with literally thousands
of Science, Engineering and Technical aquaintances - that's all. Not challenging your opinions or beliefs in the least.
But, when I read a post; then walk away and feel like it was a total waist of time - no technically useful information, no credible
references, nothing, not even a good story - I feel cheated - that's all!
If you have nothing of "value" to contribute; then don't - it's pretty simple, right?
Rant Asylum -- ? -- Do as you wish! But be aware, I didn't join this Forum to repeat the "OU or OUR" sherade...
And, I do have a great deal of respect and admiration for Lorentz, and all the others, who dedicated their careers in an attempt to
understand science be it in a professional capacity or otherwise...
SL
You can always speak up, and if you have an opinion, that's great, as long as it's based on knowledge and experience and not herd mentality. An old free energy seeker once said a wonderful truth: everyone has the sovereign right to step on the rake (that's when you step on it and the stalk hits you in the face). Therefore, we should not get in the way. We are all adults and should learn for ourselves, and learn for life (a fool is always sure he knows everything, and a smart person always doubts). No one will take you by the hand and lead you to the trough with golden sovereigns. There will be more people willing to step on your toes than you expect.
About physical phenomena and the metres that studied and discovered them. To this day physicists do not know the nature of electricity and magnetism, all we know are concepts.
By the way Ohm's Law is not fundamental in physicists, but it is derived empirically (by fact).
About Faraday, only an idiot could doubt his contribution to the breakthrough discoveries of electromagnetism. Maxwell was ahead of his time, and even in the distant future our descendants will appreciate his role.
Talk of my investigation into the nature of electromagnetic induction. ua-hho.do.am/_ld/0/69_Invention_of_th.pdf (http://ua-hho.do.am/_ld/0/69_Invention_of_th.pdf)
Hi all, sorry for the rant.
I simply cannot agree that someone is just defending the wrong, because they deserve a good life which in turn negatively affects the many ... at least this is what I was trying to say.
This pattern where the very same invention is presented as new is in fact the very same old one with different clothes. But why this is happening ? To prevent the very old one being available at large scale for everyone and anyone in a legal manner ... and sometimes by ilegal means if all legal means have been exhausted.
I wasn't trying to contest the Titans in their discoveries and disclosures, but how the mainstream science is manipulating concepts and twisting the truth.
Start with Daniel Macfarland Cook "permanent battery" we can see the very same mechanism applied and used in all similar inventions.
In very simple terms there is a resistance gradient artificial created to be exploited for the benefit of powering by electric mean.
But I will start a new thread for D. Cook coils system and leave this alone.
Classic,
I do believe it may be possible to build an OU device. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't be here. But I also have over 60 years of experience actually working in electronics. I am always open to learning new things. But when someone with very little real knowledge tries to tell me that facts that have been firmly established for many many years are not correct then I will speak up. As I posted before, when I first started looking at OU seriously 17 years ago I looked at some of the videos by Don Smith. He either didn't know what he was talking about or was a deliberate con artist. Because a lot of what he said just is not true. And you keep repeating the same things. We have to build on what we actually know, not on a bunch of unproven claims. You have claimed that the resonance of a coil can be changed by using a resistor. So you need to actually build a circuit that can do that and show us the video of that happening or you need to stop posting things that go against well established known laws of physics. Are you an actual builder or do you just come to these type forums to add confusion?
Respectfully,
Carroll
@citfta, I am not trying to confused anyone and Don Smith was never been a con artist, nor Kapanadze or Arie DeGeus or N Tesla. And i have made such reference and state those names together in a certain context.
I am assuming they all had a different approach and being able to see things different or at least in a very different way than what mainstream science is telling us.
They way out is not by following by certain path which tells you what to do or not to do. While I am perfectly aware of all what ufopolitics have mentioned. We only can play the drums out load if we have the numbers, otherwise the fate will be the same.
Probably my new thread will shine some faded light we seek together.
Kind regards,
Classic
P.S. have a look here if you wish: https://youtu.be/srwU9d5bsHs?si=ZSXCzBMWSbVKMoXR
Also, please note that AISEG didn't make the titles when COP28 have taken place and when same questions have arisen sultan Al Jabeer have thrown in disarray everything with flame declarations as there is no proof for climate change and use of fossil fuel, apart from "leaks" of documents showing how OPEC trying to take advantage of the meetings to make more and new deals ... all is just smoke and mirrors !
3 billion dollars investment from UAE in AISEG tech is the price paid to keep the silence and you'll never see any product coming out, that was the price paid to get total control, despite the patent dated from 2017.
Hello everybody,
IMHO, we had many OU Inventors over the course of our History...I, personally believe in most of them, in their devices...and I can start mentioning here, but the list is huge...and that is NOT the point of this post.
What I believe is that a majority of these inventors, that "suddenly stepped" into an OU Device, did not know the exact SCIENTIFIC REASONS why, his devices worked, and performed the way they did...or simply could not explain in an understandable way, for Field experts to "digest" its "Gain Mechanisms"...or they were simply laymen only, without any deep knowledge that found out (some by luck or by accident) a way to make his devices.
As it could be the case of Don Smith...or the TPU by Steven Marks, Johnson, Grey, Newman, etc. just to name some.
Plus, if we add a required component here, which is GREED...then, they all reserved to fully disclose their specific methods, the "How to" explanations in detail...thinking they will soon be "Rich and Famous" and their devices would soon be (patented) all over the World...well, it did not, they all did not...and that is the main reason why, it has never taken place.
When I decided to build this Forum...it was to show OU Devices OPENLY, in a completely OPEN SOURCE ENVIRONMENT, and be able to share our findings with EVERYBODY, and that includes SKEPTICS, and many people that believe this is "not possible" because of their Science training or expertise...
And actually, here I may differ with the way many people here think:
BUT, I always think that a Skeptic, a True knowledgeable person of our Science, with long time expertise, could be the BEST HELP we all can get to ACHIEVE our goals, to BACK us up, as long as He or She, is willing to contribute with us.
I know that for a fact, that if one of our Builders here...is an Skeptic, and He can see with his own eyes, that device works as expected, as described by its developer...then we can rest assured, that we will have full success in our projects.
A person with the enough knowledge will tell us all, where we are wrong in some concepts, with deeper knowledge...as it would help us understand, where we could be wrong in our "explanations" in front of a device that we, actually do not know why it does what it does...
People, we need all the help we can get to achieve this specific goal(s) to finally expose to the World, that OU is possible...
But, we have to do this as a TEAM, not fighting or arguing over silly things.
Respectfully
Ufopolitics
Hello again,
For your knowledge, I have personally invited here, Stivep (Wesley) and Bistander...and for those who do not know them...they are both known as very "hard" skeptics, related to OU existence...BUT, they are excellent in their expertise, their knowledge is simply put: VAST...in most Fields of Science, brilliant people!!
Unfortunately, they have not replied to my invitations.
As also, I can make, with just the "gentle" touch of a key, that guests cannot see anything here...Topics, Posts, Images and ALL...Just can easily be BLOCKED to ONLY REGISTERED MEMBERS.
HOWEVER, I have decided to keep it OPEN, for guests to browse everywhere they can navigate...and in different Languages.
Except for Builder's Boards.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Classic on Feb 21, 2024, 07:52 AM@citfta, I am not trying to confused anyone and Don Smith was never been a con artist, nor Kapanadze or Arie DeGeus or N Tesla. And i have made such reference and state those names together in a certain context.
I am assuming they all had a different approach and being able to see things different or at least in a very different way than what mainstream science is telling us.
They way out is not by following by certain path which tells you what to do or not to do. While I am perfectly aware of all what ufopolitics have mentioned. We only can play the drums out load if we have the numbers, otherwise the fate will be the same.
Probably my new thread will shine some faded light we seek together.
Kind regards,
Classic
P.S. have a look here if you wish: https://youtu.be/srwU9d5bsHs?si=ZSXCzBMWSbVKMoXR
Also, please note that AISEG didn't make the titles when COP28 have taken place and when same questions have arisen sultan Al Jabeer have thrown in disarray everything with flame declarations as there is no proof for climate change and use of fossil fuel, apart from "leaks" of documents showing how OPEC trying to take advantage of the meetings to make more and new deals ... all is just smoke and mirrors !
3 billion dollars investment from UAE in AISEG tech is the price paid to keep the silence and you'll never see any product coming out, that was the price paid to get total control, despite the patent dated from 2017.
Tesla never demonstrated self-driving devices (except for the legend of his self-driving electric car) Tesla was working on technologies to connect to the "inexhaustible battery" atmospheric electricity, in his interpretation of radiant energy.
Apart from Tesla, there was one Plauson in 1922 who demonstrated a device for capturing the energy potential of the Atmosphere (An aluminium balloon was filled with hydrogen or helium and at an altitude of 270 metres produced a direct current of 400 volts and 1.8 amperes. Two balloons with a capacitor battery gave a power of 81 kilowatts per day.)
Atmospheric electricity (past and present) | Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/posts/atmospheric-past-98821360)
Already in the XXI century, a Ukrainian schoolboy proposed an installation for extracting energy from the atmosphere. The question is, where are all these technologies?
About the Korean generator, I'm doing research, they may not be the first, something similar in principle of operation was previously in Germany at the beginning of our century (without demonstrations and pathos).
@rakarski, there is indeed a legend about electric car driven by Tesla and from what I understand from story is Tesla have introduced 2 long and thick iron bars in the car, than simply start to drive. i can't stop myself thinking of Daniel Cook invention far earlier than Tesla. And Tesla has brought this with his understandings to new edges.
Also, Figuera and Benitez have taken advantage of Daniel Cook invention.
In Tesla radiant energy system we can observe the battery has been replaced by a different gradient inexhaustible in nature/universe. And someone is wise to explore fig 4 of that patent may find different ways to exploit it and I have made some suggestions on Joel Lagace froum, but I am willing to disclose here as well if this is desired. Unfortunately my companion there has been spooked in very next day and decided to delete all his messages and few pictures showing my theory would work to some degree without implementing all the elements that I have considered necessary for a decent output.
Also, still unexplainable the fact that we can't find anywhere any of the devices that have been made at that time or any time by different inventors ... they all disappeared in the fog of time ?