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Electromagnetic Generator Theory

Started by rakarskiy, Dec 12, 2023, 09:24 AM

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Classic

Thank you very much for this valuable input Ufopolitics. I believe I wasn't clear enough or logic but mainly I was trying to say what you said fragmenting my text.

Well, I was trying to describe a different approach in a way I see it more natural without using brute force fighting itself ... this is what is currently in use and fit perfect with underunity output terms defined by mainstream science.

The energy stored in a permanent magnet is electric in nature and I used as example kinetic to simply demonstrate existence of energy there, direct usable and non exhaustible. When I am told there are lines of force in a magnet which I agree 100% I would like to hear what is and how is defined this force.
Because a force is applied to something to obtain something. What exactly is the subject of applied force in these lines of force.

I don't want to hear incomplete explanations like magnetic domain align as this only refers to atomic structure to form a dipolar structure. Why do I need a dipolar structure ? In a permanent magnet ?

Also we may want to observe that there is no voltage in a perfect superconductor as potential difference is equalised instantly.

If this part is not understood, makes no sense to dive further, we can stay in the limits of mainstream science and keep dreaming about overunity in terms of the same science.
On contrary, if we admit lets say just for the sake of demonstration, there is something that we apparently don't know we may observe there is no overunity and certain phenomena is accounted for with superior results.

Now, in a practical application: if I have 2 permanent magnets wrapped with wire one CW and the other CCW, placing them in repulsion with a gap and intermitent placing some iron or ferrous metal in the gap between them, may I induce a curent in the wires ? Observing that fixed position magnets only vary the blochwall position by going in attraction to the interposed iron and in repulsion to each other when iron is removed. Where eddy currents appear and how powerful they be ? What would be the required force to move the iron in-out in the gap between 2 magnets in repulsion ? Do I need to calculate amp-turns to find out what would be maximum output for coils on permanent magnets ? Can I calculate amp-turns equivalent for the permanent magnet alone ? Why calculating amp-turns is important for coil geometry ? What difference would make frequency of switching repulsion-attraction of the magnets ? Should I used the output of the coils in series or parallel ?
Would this type of generator be something new or has been already patented long time ago ? Is it possible to be more efficient than existing ones ... or it might be overunity when compare required input power (to move the iron) with the output power ?
When I try to calculate amp-turns I may find useful to know resistance of wire to help me decide how much current I want at what voltage ... and how to achieve required amp-turns using a longer/shorter wire or thiner/thicker wire.

Of course, Supposing there are 12 coils on each side depending on iron disc diameter and placement of coils not to interfere with each other, if the torque of motor allow and I only need to spin the disc using a tiny motor from a toy car where I have wireless control of speed. (This is a hint of what available parts to use for proof of concept). Eventually if necessary I can provide some pictures of how it looks like.

If I am satisfied with results, I may be able to use a multitude of options, including a solid state.

Trying to copy/paste text ... it change all the writing ... it is very difficult to rectify while I am using a tablet, apologise for inconvenience.

https://www.teslascientific.com/products/ampere-turn-calculator-coil-comparison/ Play a bit with this calculator and observe we can obtain same amp-turns with more or less current or more or less voltage ... if coil geometry do not allow, we can use resistors to adjust amp-turns


Ufopolitics

Quote from: Ufopolitics on Feb 18, 2025, 08:58 PMOnly problem by pulsing coils on the exciting circuit of a generator, is that whenever coil is OFF (on the Frequency Cycle), it reverses its Voltage as also its Magnetic Field...and this "natural behavior" disrupts Output Induction on the Secondary(ies)...

Ufopolitics

I wanted to add a bit more clarification about my previous quoted post above...because it seems -by the way I wrote it- that it is a 'disadvantage' that by nature, whenever we power up and then turn off a coil, it reverses voltage...

And it is NOT a disadvantage, on the contrary, a typical Boost Converter design takes advantage of that specific natural 'feature' of coils:

boost-converter-basic-cct.gif

The basic circuit is very simple, however, the main "pump" (or 'heart') of this whole design is an "Inductor" (an air coil) ... L1 on schematic above.

So, there is an N-Chanel MOSFET Transistor switching ON/OFF the Negative leg of Inductor, this creates a Square Wave that only opens and closes inductor circuit.
Then is Diode D1 set in a way that only allows Positive Voltage to go through to the C1 Capacitor...

boost-converter-cct01.gif

When Coil is energized by FET closing circuit it looks as above image, Coil is MAGNETIZED, it generates a Magnetic Field...and this is the way it "stores energy".

boost-converter-cct02.gif

When FET Opens circuit (OFF), then Coil reverses its Voltage...so energy travels through D1 charging C1...

boost-converter-cct03.gif


Finally, so we have a full view of cycle, on above image is a repetition of FET closing circuit...however, here we see at this stage that C1 charged keeps powering up Output while Inductor Input Circuit is closed...

Now, I had long discussions about this simple device...as one of them was a simple question:

Does the Coil's Magnetic Field reverses Polarity when it is switched off?...

Of course it does!!...and this is so simple to demonstrate on a single coil turned on and off while having a Polarity Tool attached to one of its poles....and watching it reverse.

However, the main point here is that if we have a 50% Duty Cycle...this simple device works 50% with the Input Power and 50% with coil's self-reversing voltage while there is ZERO Input.

As depending on the Frequency that we pulse, the Output Voltage will increase much more than Input...

But, this is not an OU device, simply because the power generated by coil reversal is lower on amperage than input amperage (currents)...

However, this is just a simple, basic circuit...that we can 'enhance' to make it work at best performance...like adding a Steel Core on Inductor-Coil...magnifying magnetic fields.

For further and more detailed info plus some diagrams to build it with a 555 Timer, all images were taken from: https://learnabout-electronics.org/PSU/psu32.php

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Classic

Or, in other words this type of circuit recycle reactive power, which electricity books keep saying is not useful or usable  ;D

rakarskiy

There are two types of electrical source in electromechanics. "voltage source" and "current source". By the way, when I was interested in what it is in essence, I was surprised that everything is much simpler, my version of definitions:

Electromagnetic generator and Galvanic cell in electrical engineering are sources of voltage and current. The difference is in the principle of operation. Galvanic cell produces part of the EMF, which is not enough to maintain the electric tension at the battery terminals, for this reason it is called a Voltage Generator. Electromagnetic generator initially produces full EMF, which is subsequently converted into Current by voltage drop. For this reason it is called a Current Generator. In both devices, EMF is converted into CURRENT.


To perform the phenomenon of electromagnetic power, in an electric circuit with a load, everything must be performed according to Ohm's law. Which, in fact, I demonstrated in solving the problem of determining the effective EMF of a single-phase generator. Which is based on the simple equality of current for the full circuit and a section of the circuit: [I = (E-U)/(R+r) = U/R]. 

It follows that for the "source" that supplies EMF to a section of a conductor or electrodes in a circuit (which becomes a current or voltage generator), it does not matter how the difference in electrical potentials is formed, the main thing is that this difference in electrical potentials [E] in volts, tends to close and produce a magnetic field, expressed in the electrical system of measurements as current by electromagnetic induction [curl Bi = - dE/dt], which I replaced with Maxwell's formula for Ampere's law [curl H = dD/dt + J], which is essentially the same thing.

Another notation of Maxwell's equation:   

This reading of my data in electromagnetism caused a storm of indignation among both physicists and adherents of the concept of elementary particles (electrons). But, none of them are able to refute my concept, it is more logical than elementary particles with a bunch of contradictions and exceptions.

About Tesla transformer. In fact, it is not a transformer - it is a generator of electric potential E (voltage generator), so if you find a mechanism to utilize the generated potential in an eclectic circuit, then you will get a voltage source for an electric circuit with a load.  There is a version that Kapanadze implemented this principle in his installation (my publication).

There is another option, Paul Bauman TESTATICА, when when the external magnetic field changes, the electric potential E is generated in a capacitor made of copper and aluminum plates. Such a generator was built in Austria with an output power of 3 kW (no villages there were autonomous, it's all a hoax). [color=var(--body-txt-color)]This principle is suppressed by the generator Pavel Imris DE202018004259U1 "Electric Generator" (Germany) [/color]

There are some oddities: the site Pavel Imris ( http://www.pavelimris.com/ ) no longer exists after the appearance of the Korean generator on COP28, and in its place there is strange advertising.

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Classic

Quote from: Ufopolitics on Feb 18, 2025, 08:58 PM
Quote from: Classic on Feb 16, 2025, 04:40 AMNow, if anyone can tell me, I would like to know if I can switch off a big permanent magnet by placing a small and much weak permanent magnet with a gap at one of the ends of the big one with poles seeing each other in opposition ? I only want to temporary block one way of a strong and big permanent magnet. Is it possible ? For a linear longitudinal aligned system lets say ... if I do not intend to use much power. I am referring strict for a switching practical mechanism ... this paragraph is not related to above.
Nope, you cannot do that...in order to "Neutralize" (never can "turn off" any big permanent magnet just like that, or even a small magnet, just like a "switch".

Now, it may be easier to understand my reference to amp-turn where a "cheap" curent can be used (high voltage low current) to create magnetic force desired to push (pulse) the blochwall. The small magnet must not be strong enough to fully cancel the big magnet if we desire to obtain a curent induced on a coil wrapped on the big magnet.
So, in order to "Neutralize" any magnet...you need exactly EQUAL FORCES FROM BOTH Magnets, or as close as possible, then adjust the Air Gap, to just make the final and minimal adjustments...however, I am referring to "Mechanical Neutralization of Forces"...and as an example I can refer to Lüling Magnet Motor...

Ufopolitics

Well, this is not exactly what I asked. I don't want to fully neutralise the big magnet, my aim is to limit the interaction of the big magnet with a third party and force the blochwall of big magnet or the whole system to vary their position of blochwall without the need to physically move anything where "the small" magnet is in fact an electromagnet that can be switched at will.

https://youtu.be/LyvfDzRLsiU?si=9x0JvEmRz-PHaZOQ Here is the concept and the small permanent magnet should be replaced with with an electromagnet.

This is what I am talking about and as can be seen is feasible, possible and easy to make.


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